Should Christians Support President Obama?
This man, Dr. David Barton, was on Dr. Charles Stanley's program "In Touch" as a guest speaker.
I almost shouted "HALLELUJAH" when I finished reading.
Forward or discard....it's your choice...but PLEASE read before you do!
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Dr. David Barton is more of a historian than a Biblical speaker, but very famous for his knowledge of historical facts as well as Biblical truths.
Dr. David Barton - on Obama
Respect the Office? Yes.
Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.
I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats and Republicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama. Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOT uniting behind Obama! I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledge his abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it. I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is a one-term President!
Why am I doing this? It is because: - I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America ;
- I do not share his Abortion beliefs;
- I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributing wealth;
- I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those who make $150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);
- I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;
- I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;
- I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by 25%;
- I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegal's than our American Citizens who need help;
- I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition of marriage;
- I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend and Israel is our enemy who should give up any land;
- I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he has made public);
- I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcare system in America;
- I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East;
- I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terrorist regimes such as Iran.
Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama's, and I have a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is Right!
For eight (Cool years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerous entertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for their celebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritual beliefs! They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and their philosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personal beliefs for the betterment of our Country! They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is tolerated except being intolerant! They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years!
They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important to the founding and growth of our Country! They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or Jesus Christ from our Society! They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bear firearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code! They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms, the right of free speech!
Unite behind Obama? Never!
I am sure many of you who read this think that I am going overboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom I believe are the embodiment of Evil!
PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I am not sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed his decisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of our Founding Fathers!!!
Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however, I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his "goals for America ..." I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if left unchecked, will destroy our Country! Any more compromise is more defeat! I pray that the results of this election will wake up many who have sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd to slowly change so much of what has been good in America!
GOD bless you and GOD bless our Country!
I do not vote for parties, the economy, gun rights, or anything else. The only way I vote is BIBLICALLY and for that reason I cannot vote for Obama. Things such as gun rights are very important to me but I would vote biblically over gun rights, jmo.
I read once that Christians on make up the majority of registered voters. If that is true then how do we end up with politicians with values and beliefs that are contrary to scripture. It is simple. We do not get up off our humps and vote like we should.
Song of Solomon 2:15 "Take us the foxes, the little foxes, that spoil the vines: for our vines have tender grapes
The little foxes that are described are our excuses for not voting. I know people that always have excuses for why they don't vote, however they constantly complain about what goes on in our country. I think that we as Christians should be active, vote and kick these people out if we don't want them. Don't wait until they are elected to complain. I am going to do my darnedest to convince people not to vote for the guy next time.
Simple one word answer- NO!
A ADMINISTRATION THAT SUPPORTS HOMOSEXUALITY AND ABORTION. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Christians need to get out and vote. I do not have facts or stats to back up what I am about to state, but I am afraid that many Christians do not get out and vote and that is why we do not make the differences in elections.
Just in case you wonder where Mr. Obama stands, he has openly supported the idea of homsexual marriage (Fox News, Yahoo News). Folks, we are in a perfect storm for desctruction and collapse if we do not turn this boat around spiritually.
We have committed two grave sins:
1. Turning away from Judeo-Christian values to humanism
2. Turning away from supporting Israel to becoming it's enemy.
The Bible states the following:
"The nation that forgets the Lord shall be turned into hell"
"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you"-Abraham's promise from God to be a blessing to all the nations.
Please get out and vote. We cannot afford 4 more years of this administration.
Not much to add except for my support of all of the above statements. Get out and vote people... but the people who are reading this ARE getting out and voting...
:jesus-cross:
NO!!!!!
ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!
As a Born Again Believer in Christ, I have already voted and I can proudly say NO, I did not vote for Obama. I like to think that I put him 1 step closer to unemployment.
Heck NO!
Quote from: TeocTom on May 09, 2012, 05:34:59 PM
Christians need to get out and vote. I do not have facts or stats to back up what I am about to state, but I am afraid that many Christians do not get out and vote and that is why we do not make the differences in elections.
Just in case you wonder where Mr. Obama stands, he has openly supported the idea of homsexual marriage (Fox News, Yahoo News). Folks, we are in a perfect storm for desctruction and collapse if we do not turn this boat around spiritually.
We have committed two grave sins:
1. Turning away from Judeo-Christian values to humanism
2. Turning away from supporting Israel to becoming it's enemy.
The Bible states the following:
"The nation that forgets the Lord shall be turned into hell"
"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you"-Abraham's promise from God to be a blessing to all the nations.
Please get out and vote. We cannot afford 4 more years of this administration.
:z-winnersmiley: Look what happened to Sodom and Gomorrah. I pray our nation does not reach the point that they did.
:TrainWreck1:
Answer is NO! How can any reasonable thinking person support this guy??
Quote from: schuylkillspur on May 09, 2012, 04:49:22 PM
A ADMINISTRATION THAT SUPPORTS HOMOSEXUALITY AND ABORTION. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Agreed 110%.
:jesus-cross:AMEN!
Only those who claim to be Christians and are blind to all that Obama does would vote for him.
A person who truly is a Christian.........I honestly don't see how one could vote for him.
To each their own. Every voter must view the facts for themselves, not believe what the media tells you or vote for who your pastor/sports star/movie star/etc tells you to, and then vote their conscience.
I've pretty much given up on both political parties. I want the gov't out of my personal life to the greatest extent possible and neither party is going to get that done.
I probably should have gotten a few more turkey hunting related posts in here before jumping onto a political topic. ;D
:smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
Amen to every word of that! We all know how we got here and we know exactly what we must do to return this great nation to it's Godly heritage. We must learn to stand on our knees before standing in line to vote. "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. (2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV)" this is our number one neglect. We as a society seem to be more interested in being heard among men/media than connecting with the true answer to today's issues. This is our chance to redeem this nation through the power of a sovereign God. Let's seize the opportunity and reclaim what Satan stole from us.
Quote from: gatrkyhntr70 on May 09, 2012, 08:44:20 PM
Answer is NO! How can any reasonable thinking person support this guy??
:z-winnersmiley: :agreed:
I'll save you the long answer and simply say NO!!!
Pray for---Yes! Support---Yes but only when he makes Godly decisions! That is why we need to vote! If any elected official isn't following what this Great Nation was founded on, God (In God We Trust, One Nation under God) then we should vote them out of office. Hate the Sin but Love the Sinner! We need Godly Men and Woman in Public Office and it's our duty as Christians to see that this happens (1 Samuel 12:23-25)
My first thoughts are to post something sarcastic or witty, but the state of our country has gone beyond the point where that is even an option anymore for me. I don't know if it is age, life experiences or just recognizing that this is not the America I grew up in.
I have really had to look deeper at why I believe what I believe to get beyond the point of sarcasm and wit, as that has often been my response in the past. Each day seems to bring new evidences that the climate of this nation has turned away from seeking God to please self. The roots of this problem go back to the earliest days of history when satan wanted to be "like" God, or equal to God. It seems our government, R's and D's alike have sold their "convictions" to the highest bidder - the ones who would grant them the most financial gain and the most power.
I honestly feel like I am grieving the loss of a nation. I remember going to ballgames as a kid (KC Royals) and standing in awe as the National Anthem played, the flag waved in the breeze, the ball players to the man stood with his hat over his heart intent on the flag, mouth moving to the words of the anthem. I stood with chill bumps and a kind of reverence. At this same time, the Vietnam war was drawing to a close. I remember bits and pieces of news reports around the time of the fall of Saigon. I remember going to Boy Scout meetings, Vacation Bible School and Elementary School. They had something in common... each one began with everyone in attendance placing their hand over their heart and saying the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States. I remember the fascination I had with my grandpa's marksman medal, which I am proud to own now. I read and re-read the descending tags noting his qualifications with rifle, machine gun, pistol, bazooka... I remember admiring the purple heart and bronze star awarded posthumously to my uncle who was killed at the age of 18 in Korea, burned alive in a hut while giving aid to the occupants of the hut. I never got to meet him, but I doubt he would recognize this nation that he gave his life for.
I am sickened to go to a high-school ball game where, out of fear of legal action, they no longer pray for the safety of the players before the game. I am sickened by turning on the television to find sitcoms that degrade the sanctity of marriage and make a joke of traditional family values and glorify lifestyles that go directly against the teachings of the Bible and decency as a whole. I am amazed by online responses to news articles from politics to science that mock God and refer to the Bible as a "fairy tale". Anger boils inside me as I read such responses, then I picture Jesus weeping over those "posters" just as He did over Jerusalem, a society that on one hand longed for a Messiah, but couldn't recognize Him as He stood before them.
I'm afraid that we have reached a tipping point in our nation. Part of me wants to say that the results of the election in November will be the nudge that pushes us one way or the other. In reality, that nudge needs to begin now. There is no time left for people who truly love this country to just complain. If you don't agree with decisions or policies, by all means, contact your elected representatives and voice your concerns. Real HOPE and CHANGE, though, will only come by a II Chronicles 7:14 approach:
2 Chronicles 7:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Quote from: lightsoutcalls on May 10, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
My first thoughts are to post something sarcastic or witty, but the state of our country has gone beyond the point where that is even an option anymore for me. I don't know if it is age, life experiences or just recognizing that this is not the America I grew up in.
I have really had to look deeper at why I believe what I believe to get beyond the point of sarcasm and wit, as that has often been my response in the past. Each day seems to bring new evidences that the climate of this nation has turned away from seeking God to please self. The roots of this problem go back to the earliest days of history when satan wanted to be "like" God, or equal to God. It seems our government, R's and D's alike have sold their "convictions" to the highest bidder - the ones who would grant them the most financial gain and the most power.
I honestly feel like I am grieving the loss of a nation. I remember going to ballgames as a kid (KC Royals) and standing in awe as the National Anthem played, the flag waved in the breeze, the ball players to the man stood with his hat over his heart intent on the flag, mouth moving to the words of the anthem. I stood with chill bumps and a kind of reverence. At this same time, the Vietnam war was drawing to a close. I remember bits and pieces of news reports around the time of the fall of Saigon. I remember going to Boy Scout meetings, Vacation Bible School and Elementary School. They had something in common... each one began with everyone in attendance placing their hand over their heart and saying the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States. I remember the fascination I had with my grandpa's marksman medal, which I am proud to own now. I read and re-read the descending tags noting his qualifications with rifle, machine gun, pistol, bazooka... I remember admiring the purple heart and bronze star awarded posthumously to my uncle who was killed at the age of 18 in Korea, burned alive in a hut while giving aid to the occupants of the hut. I never got to meet him, but I doubt he would recognize this nation that he gave his life for.
I am sickened to go to a high-school ball game where, out of fear of legal action, they no longer pray for the safety of the players before the game. I am sickened by turning on the television to find sitcoms that degrade the sanctity of marriage and make a joke of traditional family values and glorify lifestyles that go directly against the teachings of the Bible and decency as a whole. I am amazed by online responses to news articles from politics to science that mock God and refer to the Bible as a "fairy tale". Anger boils inside me as I read such responses, then I picture Jesus weeping over those "posters" just as He did over Jerusalem, a society that on one hand longed for a Messiah, but couldn't recognize Him as He stood before them.
I'm afraid that we have reached a tipping point in our nation. Part of me wants to say that the results of the election in November will be the nudge that pushes us one way or the other. In reality, that nudge needs to begin now. There is no time left for people who truly love this country to just complain. If you don't agree with decisions or policies, by all means, contact your elected representatives and voice your concerns. Real HOPE and CHANGE, though, will only come by a II Chronicles 7:14 approach:
2 Chronicles 7:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
Well said :agreed: :jesus-cross:
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
:help: :agreed: :mycross: :bible: :cross2: :jesus-cross: :smiley-patriotic-flagwaver-an
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
Quote from: lightsoutcalls on May 10, 2012, 10:26:05 AM
My first thoughts are to post something sarcastic or witty, but the state of our country has gone beyond the point where that is even an option anymore for me. I don't know if it is age, life experiences or just recognizing that this is not the America I grew up in.
I have really had to look deeper at why I believe what I believe to get beyond the point of sarcasm and wit, as that has often been my response in the past. Each day seems to bring new evidences that the climate of this nation has turned away from seeking God to please self. The roots of this problem go back to the earliest days of history when satan wanted to be "like" God, or equal to God. It seems our government, R's and D's alike have sold their "convictions" to the highest bidder - the ones who would grant them the most financial gain and the most power.
I honestly feel like I am grieving the loss of a nation. I remember going to ballgames as a kid (KC Royals) and standing in awe as the National Anthem played, the flag waved in the breeze, the ball players to the man stood with his hat over his heart intent on the flag, mouth moving to the words of the anthem. I stood with chill bumps and a kind of reverence. At this same time, the Vietnam war was drawing to a close. I remember bits and pieces of news reports around the time of the fall of Saigon. I remember going to Boy Scout meetings, Vacation Bible School and Elementary School. They had something in common... each one began with everyone in attendance placing their hand over their heart and saying the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States. I remember the fascination I had with my grandpa's marksman medal, which I am proud to own now. I read and re-read the descending tags noting his qualifications with rifle, machine gun, pistol, bazooka... I remember admiring the purple heart and bronze star awarded posthumously to my uncle who was killed at the age of 18 in Korea, burned alive in a hut while giving aid to the occupants of the hut. I never got to meet him, but I doubt he would recognize this nation that he gave his life for.
I am sickened to go to a high-school ball game where, out of fear of legal action, they no longer pray for the safety of the players before the game. I am sickened by turning on the television to find sitcoms that degrade the sanctity of marriage and make a joke of traditional family values and glorify lifestyles that go directly against the teachings of the Bible and decency as a whole. I am amazed by online responses to news articles from politics to science that mock God and refer to the Bible as a "fairy tale". Anger boils inside me as I read such responses, then I picture Jesus weeping over those "posters" just as He did over Jerusalem, a society that on one hand longed for a Messiah, but couldn't recognize Him as He stood before them.
I'm afraid that we have reached a tipping point in our nation. Part of me wants to say that the results of the election in November will be the nudge that pushes us one way or the other. In reality, that nudge needs to begin now. There is no time left for people who truly love this country to just complain. If you don't agree with decisions or policies, by all means, contact your elected representatives and voice your concerns. Real HOPE and CHANGE, though, will only come by a II Chronicles 7:14 approach:
2 Chronicles 7:14
New International Version (NIV)
14 if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land.
I couldn't of said it better myself. May GOD save us from ourselves.
Oh boy, this one is near and dear to my heart. I apologize ahead of time for this spew of thoughts...
I agree with the general consensus here that the country has certainly drifted from the original Christian principles that our forefathers instilled. Nobody wants to bring up the importance of religion in this country anymore. Not in schools, not at work, and not even on hunting forums.
Sadly, I don't think Christians showing up at the voting booths in November will make the difference we all need to take this country back. It may be too far gone – there's a lot of stupidity out there that can't be fixed. I'm not saying we should bend over or anything, but I work in an inner city and I see a lot "Obama 2012" bumper stickers. These are people, sadly a good chunk of the U.S. if you look around, that are barely making a life for themselves by mooching off the government. They're happy, though. Every day, I drive by streets full of houses with porches full of people drinking and relaxing in the mid afternoon sun. They aren't at work, though there are companies hiring and they could get jobs. Fifteen years ago, those same streets were nice and the homes were respectable. Now, the front yard lawns are up to their asses, the bills are overdue, the kids are malnourished, the cars are all on blocks, but by-God everyone around there has managed to get their iphones, 40's, and designer shoes. I don't get it.
I had an experience about two months ago that broke my heart. I have a two year old son and we were grocery shopping in Wal-Mart (not my first choice). Well, I'm looking at the lady in front of me, who has five kids climbing all over the place. She has the conveyor full of name brand junk food. She's very obese and her kids don't look all that healthy either. I then look at my cart and see that every item that my wife has picked out is the generic store brand items and has some sort of nutritional value. I shrug it off until I notice that the lady pays for all hers with some sort of government WIC card. It hits me that we have the money to splurge on name brand stuff and junk food, but don't because we remain cognizant of our budget and know that those things aren't necessities. Well, this lady then proceeds to buy each of her kids a candy bar with cash from her purse through a new and separate transaction. Apparently, WIC won't cover those. It broke my heart inside because I had just told my son that he didn't need any candy because we don't need to always spend money on things like that. We are obviously blessed and have the money for such things, it was just the lesson and it was quite upsetting...
Most of these same people will openly admit that they like the idea of voting for someone with a minority background (black) that can relate to them. Really? Barack Hussein went to Columbia and then onto Harvard Law School. I bet his Ivy-league prep years really mimic their upbringings. Regardless, it's their right as Americans to vote for whom they wish, but until people actually start to consider a candidate's moral fabric into consideration, this country is going to continue to be led in this direction. We need all people to be moral again. People will mimic the actions of their leader, so being a strong non-swaying Christian is important. Moral people won't take advantage of this country, it's people, it's laws, or it's systems.
In sum, ANYBODY BUT OBAMA FOR 2012
No way, no how.
Honestly, no, as a Christian my duty and loyality lies in Christ and God
I truly believe from his actions and words he is a Muslim
His belief in letting a late term abortion survivor just lay on a table and die is disgusting as a human and against what Jesus preached.
This country was built by the grace of God, we survive and succeed by the grace and glory of God to which we owe. Hence why we must be the one to protect those on earth that cannot protect themselves.
Obama must go