I just ordered a .650 sumtoy choke for the 870.. I couldn't get a decent pattern with my other chokes, so I decided to give sumtoy a try. Anybody shoot #6 hevi shot with a sumtoy .650?
I have but i shoot a Stoeger so obviously not really doing apples to apples.
Quote from: WW on February 17, 2012, 10:20:12 AM
I just ordered a .650 sumtoy choke for the 870.. I couldn't get a decent pattern with my other chokes, so I decided to give sumtoy a try. Anybody shoot #6 hevi shot with a sumtoy .650?
I ordered the SumToy .650 on Monday and it should be here pretty soon. I'll post a report on how it shoots
Mine should be here by Wednesday hopefully!
I'd like to see what kind of numbers you get. I'm wanting to try something
different in my 870.
Quote from: reynolds243 on February 17, 2012, 10:52:32 AM
I have but i shoot a Stoeger so obviously not really doing apples to apples.
Are you getting good numbers with it? I have a Benelli and they are supposed to be compatible with the Stoeger. Curious about their performance. I've read a few posts from people using mossbergs and winchesters with good results with them.
Mine should be here by tomorrow I hope. I am shooting an M3500, but my hunting partner ordered one at the same time and he shoots an 870sm so I can report after this weekend.
my 3500 and 2000 stoegers shot the 650 sumtoy VERY well...matter of fact i sold all the other chokes i had minus the hevi choke 656 and will be hunting with the sumtoy this year as my primary.
You can see all the patterns i shot with it over in the pattern thread for the stoeger M2000 and M3500.
now if you are shooting magblends the Hevi choke in the 3500 puts a NASTY pattern out with them!!!
Yea, 230s in the 10 at 40 with hevi 13 6s and an 870 sm
Expecting my SumToy any day now for my Encore. Looking forward to seeing what it will do!
Vaturkstomper, what size is that Sumtoy choke ? And were those 3 or 3 1/2
# 6's
I shot my 870 sm and my .650 sumtoy this morning because of the great weather.
Lazered 41 yards w a leica.
247 in the 10 at 40 with a polished bore, 3.5" 2.25 ounce 6s and the .650.
The SumToy .650 for my 870 came in the mail today. If the weather cooperates I'll get to shoot it this weekend and post some comments.
From first observations it's very well made and heavy. The rings inside of the tube is like nothing I've seen in other chokes. They should slow the wadding down quick.
Mine just arrived in the mail today! I'll have a report shortly
Just got my 650 also today . I will pattern it this next week with hevi 13 # 7 . Should get around 300 @40.
Well, I tried out the 650 sumtoy at 40 yards and I got 104 in a 10'' circle.....Now my barrel hasn't been polished and it's about 3 years old. That's plenty good enough for me to kill turkeys with! Shot was hevi 13 #6 3.5 inch.
I got about 250-260 in a 10'' circle at 20 yards.
Quote from: WW on February 25, 2012, 09:11:05 AM
Well, I tried out the 650 sumtoy at 40 yards and I got 104 in a 10'' circle.....Now my barrel hasn't been polished and it's about 3 years old. That's plenty good enough for me to kill turkeys with! Shot was hevi 13 #6 3.5 inch.
I got about 250-260 in a 10'' circle at 20 yards.
You did something wrong or have a problem. Got to fix that. ???
Something is seriously wrong there.
Are you shooting the 2.25 ounce 6's or the 1.75 load?
Quote from: SumToy on February 25, 2012, 09:13:55 AM
Quote from: WW on February 25, 2012, 09:11:05 AM
Well, I tried out the 650 sumtoy at 40 yards and I got 104 in a 10'' circle.....Now my barrel hasn't been polished and it's about 3 years old. That's plenty good enough for me to kill turkeys with! Shot was hevi 13 #6 3.5 inch.
I got about 250-260 in a 10'' circle at 20 yards.
You did something wrong or have a problem. Got to fix that. ???
Im agree. You should have double that number from that shell at 40. There are lead loads that do better than that.
I did nothing wrong.....I don't know how I could have done something wrong shooting a still target, The target was a 4x4 piece of cardboard and most of the shot was in the circle. A lot of you fellas are shooting 7's, 8's and 9's and that's a big difference from 6's. I do agree, it should have more than 104, but what else is there to do other than polish my barrel? The load was a 2 1/4 oz load. I tried a different gun with another name brand choke and 4 different shells and never got over 100 pellets with either gun at 40 yards. The Sumtoy did the best out of the 4 chokes I tried also.
Sounds like you counted the pellet holes in the existing circle. You should have drawn a 10 inch circle around the densest part of your pattern after you shot.
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 25, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Sounds like you counted the pellet holes in the existing circle. You should have drawn a 10 inch circle around the densest part of your pattern after you shot.
Yep. That's what it sounds like
Quote from: SKFOOTER on February 25, 2012, 11:54:52 PM
Sounds like you counted the pellet holes in the existing circle. You should have drawn a 10 inch circle around the densest part of your pattern after you shot.
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Yeah, that's what I did. I drew the circle and shot. For those of you who turkey hunt, do y'all aim to the left, or right or wherever the main point of impact is, when shooting a turkey? If so, that would really stink in my opinion, to have to put the bead somewhere other than on the turkey head. Thanks for the feedback!
Quote from: WW on February 26, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
Yeah, that's what I did. I drew the circle and shot. For those of you who turkey hunt, do y'all aim to the left, or right or wherever the main point of impact is, when shooting a turkey? If so, that would really stink in my opinion, to have to put the bead somewhere other than on the turkey head. Thanks for the feedback!
What you need to do is draw the circle AFTER you shoot. It sounds to me that you need a sight system other than your bead to correct your POI/POA issues.
What you need to do is shoot, draw a circle around the densest part of your pattern, then correct your gun to hit where your highest 10" circle numbers are.
Quote from: WW on February 26, 2012, 08:52:00 AMYeah, that's what I did. I drew the circle and shot. For those of you who turkey hunt, do y'all aim to the left, or right or wherever the main point of impact is, when shooting a turkey? If so, that would really stink in my opinion, to have to put the bead somewhere other than on the turkey head. Thanks for the feedback!
Shooting the equivalent Kentucky windage is a poor way of aiming.
Many shotguns have slight point of aim vs point of impact issues but most shooters choose to reconcile these symptoms with adjustable fiber optic sights, red dots, or scopes.
If the discrepancy between poa/poi is large, a red dot or scope is typically used. Correspondingly, if the discrepancy is small, the issue is easily resolved with a fiber optic such as a Williams firesight or truglo magnum gobble dot.
You need to go back to the patterning board and re-evaluate your pattern first by determining where the core of your pattern is in relation to your point of aim. Draw a 10" circle around the core, establish your pellet count, and then determine what aiming system you want to use to correct the issue.
I assure you, your pellet count is far higher than 104 with the sumtoy .650 and 2.25 ounce hevi 13 6s.
Quote from: WW on February 26, 2012, 08:52:00 AM
Yeah, that's what I did. I drew the circle and shot. For those of you who turkey hunt, do y'all aim to the left, or right or wherever the main point of impact is, when shooting a turkey? If so, that would really stink in my opinion, to have to put the bead somewhere other than on the turkey head. Thanks for the feedback!
I think you have a POA/POI problem. You not but a few hours away so mail it to me or ride down we will try to fix the problem with one of my other chokes or some of the ones you have. May need to bend the barrel or put sights on the barrel.
Thanks fellas for all the great feedback! So, to correct the P.O.I., I'll have to get a scope or a fiber sight? I hate scopes for turkey hunting personally, I just can't bring myself to do that since I like the factory bead sight. . I'm gonna shoot again today and I'll see exactly where the majority of the pellets are and do a count.
Quote from: WW on February 26, 2012, 09:39:22 AM
Thanks fellas for all the great feedback! So, to correct the P.O.I., I'll have to get a scope or a fiber sight? I hate scopes for turkey hunting personally, I just can't bring myself to do that since I like the factory bead sight. . I'm gonna shoot again today and I'll see exactly where the majority of the pellets are and do a count.
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Quote from: WW on February 26, 2012, 09:39:22 AM
Thanks fellas for all the great feedback! So, to correct the P.O.I., I'll have to get a scope or a fiber sight? I hate scopes for turkey hunting personally, I just can't bring myself to do that since I like the factory bead sight. . I'm gonna shoot again today and I'll see exactly where the majority of the pellets are and do a count.
Let us know what you get.
OH Man ! Now i know why my numbers were so low. I never understood to draw the circle AFTER i took the shot. My POA/POI is off also - about 5" high in a 1 o'clock direction. I can't adjust my moss 535 sights far enough left to fix the problem. Ideas?
Quote from: Oconeeguy on February 26, 2012, 02:20:05 PM
OH Man ! Now i know why my numbers were so low. I never understood to draw the circle AFTER i took the shot. My POA/POI is off also - about 5" high in a 1 o'clock direction. I can't adjust my moss 535 sights far enough left to fix the problem. Ideas?
What sights are on it?
You may be able to fix it with something like a Williams firesight with the rear aperture that has both windage and trajectory adjustments.
Otherwise, a red dot or a scope.
Quote from: Oconeeguy on February 26, 2012, 02:20:05 PM
OH Man ! Now i know why my numbers were so low. I never understood to draw the circle AFTER i took the shot. My POA/POI is off also - about 5" high in a 1 o'clock direction. I can't adjust my moss 535 sights far enough left to fix the problem. Ideas?
Scope....I had 2 835's and 2 of my buddies have 835's. We all had to go to scopes to get the POA/POI the same.
I got a SumToy last year for my 870 SM. I shoot HS#13 3.5 2.25 #7 and get 230-250 at 40 yards. My is a .647 and marked ST-12.