I'm a new kid around here so this may be old news because the video is at least four months old.
Watching a Meateater marathon yesterday they did an Osceola hunt on the invite of a local who put them on public ground birds.
OG BONEY shows up in the video at about 1:16 minute mark on the back of the local guys vest. Evidently Richard Martinez is a member here. I thought it was pretty cool BONEY was representing.
https://youtu.be/ryRzKbs9YT4?si=3XzZyf8k9xTiWVC7
That is very cool. I'm knew here as well just purchased my first boney patch looking forward to showing it off when our season opens up here in a couple weeks.
Thats Kool! We have alot of Great members! Watched the video also..They cleaned up those public land birds!, Looked like a fun hunt!
Surprised the locals that hunt in the guides area didn't tar and feather him. Loose lips sink ships
Richard is not a guide. He's the volunteer chairman for the local chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Group dedicated to the preservation and advocacy of public lands and introducing people to hunting and fishing.
Richard met the meateater at a fund raiser or other event I believe. Rhinella expressed his interest in hunting Florida and Richard gave him his number and told him start applying for permits.
When the permits were drawn a couple years later Rhinella called him up and Richard said come on down.
We interviewed Richard on our podcast. His knowledge of the Everglades really shines through.
Quote from: Paulmyr on March 22, 2024, 04:38:11 PM
Richard met the meateater at a fund raiser or other event I believe. Rhinella expressed his interest in hunting Florida and Richard gave him his number and told him start applying for permits.
When the permits were drawn a couple years later Rhinella called him up and Richard said come on down.
I checked that info and Rhinella did a live podcast from a Backcountry hunters and anglers convention.
Pretty cool to see.
I have the Boney patch with a gobbler in each hand at the same place on my vest.
If you know, you know.
Jim
Quote from: Cut N Run on March 22, 2024, 08:06:20 PM
Pretty cool to see.
I have the Boney patch with a gobbler in each hand at the same place on my vest.
If you know, you know.
Jim
Ahh the 2014.. That is a unique vintage one, hard to find to
That is a good Meateater episode. I've watched it once and skimmed it twice. Doesn't mention the exact Florida area. Since the reporting system implemented in 2023 isn't discussed guessing it was filmed in 2022 or just prior. Some can guess the location but since it was a quota hunt it can be narrowed down - maybe - a few other clues are there also. I'll look for Boney if I watch it again to check out the recipes Martinez cooks up at the end.
Update - Boney shows at least twice more. He's a sneaky guy.
Quote from: Paulmyr on March 22, 2024, 04:38:11 PM
Richard is not a guide. He's the volunteer chairman for the local chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Group dedicated to the preservation and advocacy of public lands and introducing people to hunting and fishing.
Richard met the meateater at a fund raiser or other event I believe. Rhinella expressed his interest in hunting Florida and Richard gave him his number and told him start applying for permits.
When the permits were drawn a couple years later Rhinella called him up and Richard said come on down.
We interviewed Richard on our podcast. His knowledge of the Everglades really shines through.
Florida residents are raising cane about the amount of non resident hunters in their state. All over social media. Etc. and lobbying for non resident restrictions.
Meateater is one of or possibly the biggest influencer pimping out public lands .......... Is 15 min of fame by an experienced Florida resident worth putting a million of eyes on your hunting spot? Western hunting - draw odds etc have been devastated since meateater/and others put them on roast. Florida more than any other state has been pimped by the influencers and feeling the squeeze. Yet people still celebrate this behavior.......loose lips sink ships. Been saying it for years now. Pull your head out of the sand.
Florida has a frustrating but decent quota system. It's now 2024 and all social media is firmly entrenched. Either live with it or keep beating your head against the wall. ADAPT. Even the golf courses are busy now. I know how the quota system in Florida works plus know if I wait until midweek on a romp and stomp no quotas area at the end of a season people won't be a problem Adaptability is key now . The 80s and 90s have sailed by. Btw- give me your guess where Rinella was and what year?
Btw - always enjoy dueling with someone with no State or age in their bio. You could be from Iran. Lol.
I didnt and won't watch. But why does it matter if I know where they are? They prob have a 1/2 million people watching. Maybe more. If 1% is influenced to put in for Florida quota hunt based off what they saw.....That's 5000 more applicants chasing limited tags. Pushing out locals. And others. The ones that don't draw may well end up on no quota locations.....after they consume pinhoti project and the like
This isn't a theory. It's been proven in a state we discuss regularly......Mississippi. Among others. Loose lips sink ships. You know it and I know it.
I sure as heck didn't start this thread to fire folks up over the pimping of areas to hunt and fish. I just thought it was cool that BONEY was on the tube.
The loose lips thing first came on my radar in the late '60's or early'70's reading articles by Homer Circle in Sports Afield magazine. Homer was decrying the what's now termed "spot burn" being put out there by other writers.
Yeah it's not the best but guides and outfitters have been in the business of spot burning for years and years. I just recently watched a video called Silver King; The Birth of Big Game Fishing. It centers around tarpon fishing in the Ft. Meyers/Sanibel Island area in the early 1900's. Tarpon fishing in that area pretty much exploded the growth of the whole area from a handful of fish camps to what it is today.
Not cool but it ain't ever gonna stop unfortunately.
Another Boney sighting on YouTube
Spotted this years patch at 13:46 or so in this video
https://youtu.be/LZ_pS4HkMpU?si=K-1fPKOckfN5XTsp
Quote from: arkrem870 on March 23, 2024, 07:19:32 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on March 22, 2024, 04:38:11 PMRichard is not a guide. He's the volunteer chairman for the local chapter of Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. Group dedicated to the preservation and advocacy of public lands and introducing people to hunting and fishing.
Richard met the meateater at a fund raiser or other event I believe. Rhinella expressed his interest in hunting Florida and Richard gave him his number and told him start applying for permits.
When the permits were drawn a couple years later Rhinella called him up and Richard said come on down.
We interviewed Richard on our podcast. His knowledge of the Everglades really shines through.
Florida residents are raising cane about the amount of non resident hunters in their state. All over social media. Etc. and lobbying for non resident restrictions.
Meateater is one of or possibly the biggest influencer pimping out public lands .......... Is 15 min of fame by an experienced Florida resident worth putting a million of eyes on your hunting spot? Western hunting - draw odds etc have been devastated since meateater/and others put them on roast. Florida more than any other state has been pimped by the influencers and feeling the squeeze. Yet people still celebrate this behavior.......loose lips sink ships. Been saying it for years now. Pull your head out of the sand.
Are you kidding me? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know you can hunt turkeys in every state the Continental US and have been able to for some time and a person certainly don't need to watch the Meateater to know this fact.
Pull my head out of the sand? Quite frankly your continuing comments on this matter are getting quite stale. Your crying over spilt milk attitude and scapegoating highlight your selfish "turkeys for me and none for thee" attitude.
Obviously your not in the group that thinks the biggest risk to the future of turkey and all hunting for that matter is the voice of the hunter becoming obsolete. Being drown out by increasing populations who could care less about whether or not you get to hunt and have no qualms about voting for politicians advocating for the removal of your hunting privileges. It's happening already! This group would most likely tell you to "Pull your head out if the sand!"
So the guys hunting and filming for profit on public land are the good guys. And the ones that have been warning of the consequences of loose lips are selfish bad guys. What a crock... if you haven't felt the squeeze of loose lip policies you are lying to your self or you aren't a turkey hunter period. Gobblers are a finite resource....hunt because you love it. Not for likes from strange men.
And If you haven't noticed we are currently losing our opportunity with limited draws, later season structure on public lands, limit decreases that target public land hunters, limited tags etc. Alabama/mississippi/georgia/ohio/kansas/nebraska/oklahoma/South Carolina and many more....... it's HUNTERS that are driving this trend forward by pressuring their DNR due to increased pressure . It's not the non hunting masses your speak of.....FACT
Whatever!
You were bad mouthing Richard Martinez the "Volunteer" Chairman of the Backwater Hunters and Anglers. A group dedicated to introducing new hunters and fisherman to the possibilities available if your not rich and/or don't own land. They are well aware of the battle for lost hunting privileges due to political pressure from antis's.
If you don't think the anti's are coming for your hunting privileges through legislation and political pressure keep your head in the sand. Just ask the folks in Wa. who recently lost spring bear, hound hunting for cougars, and more recently are coming after standard hunting practices for cougars with looming harvest reductions that are not supported by the biology. Or better yet the reversal of newly enacted wolf hunting seasons because they're supposedly still endangered, come on up to Mn and I'll show you the wolf scat that litters the forest roads or maybe we can howl at the moon and listen to all the replies of this so called endangered species.
The many regs changes you speak of tried to reverse a trend in dropping turkey populations thought to be a result of over harvesting gobblers early in the season. New light has come to bear on this matter and studies are showing later season start dates don't help and should be reversed. Tennessee will be reversing the later season start dates and the others should follow suit. Reduced limits are an effort to curb dropping populations that seems to be a result of poor habitat.
Ms limited non resident because of the influx of new hunters after the season changes in surrounding states and because its neighboring state Arkansas does a poor job of managing its habitat for turkeys and barely has season but I'm sure your aware of that fact.
I get it. You don't want any new turkey hunters crowding you out. Turkeys for me and none for thee.
If I lived in Minnesota I might have the same thoughts as you. Was up in that part of the world last week-weekend...but I'm from where the impacts of loose lips have crushed public hunting opportunities. And btw Backwoods hunters and anglers are a bunch of liberals. Im a member and give them some money but I know what they are. Cheers
I've been seeing the impacts of the growing demands on public land since the late 70's. It's not something reserved for where your from.
1088 should be showing up any time....
Another one in the recent Texas turkey hunting episode: https://youtu.be/LZ_pS4HkMpU
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FYI - for those that care the Florida FWC quota page now has the information on how many apply for each quota hunt and the estimated number of preference points needed for selection for each individual hunt. Should make it easy for those wanting to do some advance planning. Good luck since many will show four or more points needed for many areas. This info available now for the deer hunters and should be there for the spring 2025 turkey hunts.
Add - just now glancing at this new FWC section. It should be very helpful for those adapting to these changing times.
Nice to see those patches out there supporting this great site!
Quote from: joey46 on March 23, 2024, 05:07:31 AMThat is a good Meateater episode. I've watched it once and skimmed it twice. Doesn't mention the exact Florida area. Since the reporting system implemented in 2023 isn't discussed guessing it was filmed in 2022 or just prior. Some can guess the location but since it was a quota hunt it can be narrowed down - maybe - a few other clues are there also. I'll look for Boney if I watch it again to check out the recipes Martinez cooks up at the end.
Update - Boney shows at least twice more. He's a sneaky guy.
I can tell you exactly where they hunted and the year. In fact, I knew they were going to hunt there before they even hunted there. And I HATED knowing they were about to pimp out one of my favorite places to hunt.
Every year I do an information request to Florida FWC to get quota hunt data. It just so happens the giant spreadsheet they send out has EVERYONE'S quota application on it. You can see where all the big name YouTuber's hunt and all that jazz. I actually used this information one time to show a YouTuber the MASSIVE increase in non-resident applications to the region he was pimping out. Guess what? He didn't care cause making a living off wild turkey is now his livelihood. And MeatEater has been doing a GREAT JOB pimping out public lands for profit too in recent years.
Best thing for public land hunting would be to BAN any commercial filming. A ban on all filming would be the best (due to all the rising YouTube influencer wannabes), but would be much harder to get passed.
Quote from: Paulmyr on June 01, 2024, 04:41:15 PMWhatever!
You were bad mouthing Richard Martinez the "Volunteer" Chairman of the Backwater Hunters and Anglers. A group dedicated to introducing new hunters and fisherman to the possibilities available if your not rich and/or don't own land. They are well aware of the battle for lost hunting privileges due to political pressure from antis's.
I quit supporting BHA years ago after it became obvious their main goal was R3. More specifically recruiting as many new hunters as possible. Which benefits them and the industry more than the public land hunter. They were too focused on "Pint Nights" rather than actual projects to benefit public lands. They've had a bit of a reorganization in the past year or so which I hope will get them back on the right path.
The Hunt Quietly podcast recently took a nice dive into BHA and confirmed my suspicions. Good listen and let me know I made the correct choice by quitting to support them years ago. Episode 116.
https://www.huntquietly.org/podcast
Quote from: Paulmyr on June 01, 2024, 04:41:15 PMMs limited non resident because of the influx of new hunters after the season changes in surrounding states and because its neighboring state Arkansas does a poor job of managing its habitat for turkeys and barely has season but I'm sure your aware of that fact.
The MS influx of non-residents actually started BEFORE all the season pushbacks in surrounding states. It just so happens the NR license sales began to explode once the YouTube era kicked off. With NR turkey permit sales nearly doubling from 2018 to 2021. Thankfully MS got the NR quota in place right as other states pushed their seasons back.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:17:50 AMQuote from: joey46 on March 23, 2024, 05:07:31 AMThat is a good Meateater episode. I've watched it once and skimmed it twice. Doesn't mention the exact Florida area. Since the reporting system implemented in 2023 isn't discussed guessing it was filmed in 2022 or just prior. Some can guess the location but since it was a quota hunt it can be narrowed down - maybe - a few other clues are there also. I'll look for Boney if I watch it again to check out the recipes Martinez cooks up at the end.
Update - Boney shows at least twice more. He's a sneaky guy.
I can tell you exactly where they hunted and the year. In fact, I knew they were going to hunt there before they even hunted there. And I HATED knowing they were about to pimp out one of my favorite places to hunt.
Every year I do an information request to Florida FWC to get quota hunt data. It just so happens the giant spreadsheet they send out has EVERYONE'S quota application on it. You can see where all the big name YouTuber's hunt and all that jazz. I actually used this information one time to show a YouTuber the MASSIVE increase in non-resident applications to the region he was pimping out. Guess what? He didn't care cause making a living off wild turkey is now his livelihood. And MeatEater has been doing a GREAT JOB pimping out public lands for profit too in recent years.
Best thing for public land hunting would be to BAN any commercial filming. A ban on all filming would be the best (due to all the rising YouTube influencer wannabes), but would be much harder to get passed.
And now everybody reading this thread knows how to find out where there favorite YouTuber is hunting in Florida.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:30:05 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on June 01, 2024, 04:41:15 PMMs limited non resident because of the influx of new hunters after the season changes in surrounding states and because its neighboring state Arkansas does a poor job of managing its habitat for turkeys and barely has season but I'm sure your aware of that fact.
The MS influx of non-residents actually started BEFORE all the season pushbacks in surrounding states. It just so happens the NR license sales began to explode once the YouTube era kicked off. With NR turkey permit sales nearly doubling from 2018 to 2021. Thankfully MS got the NR quota in place right as other states pushed their seasons back.
Covid?
Quote from: Paulmyr on June 02, 2024, 10:40:20 AMQuote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:17:50 AMQuote from: joey46 on March 23, 2024, 05:07:31 AMThat is a good Meateater episode. I've watched it once and skimmed it twice. Doesn't mention the exact Florida area. Since the reporting system implemented in 2023 isn't discussed guessing it was filmed in 2022 or just prior. Some can guess the location but since it was a quota hunt it can be narrowed down - maybe - a few other clues are there also. I'll look for Boney if I watch it again to check out the recipes Martinez cooks up at the end.
Update - Boney shows at least twice more. He's a sneaky guy.
I can tell you exactly where they hunted and the year. In fact, I knew they were going to hunt there before they even hunted there. And I HATED knowing they were about to pimp out one of my favorite places to hunt.
Every year I do an information request to Florida FWC to get quota hunt data. It just so happens the giant spreadsheet they send out has EVERYONE'S quota application on it. You can see where all the big name YouTuber's hunt and all that jazz. I actually used this information one time to show a YouTuber the MASSIVE increase in non-resident applications to the region he was pimping out. Guess what? He didn't care cause making a living off wild turkey is now his livelihood. And MeatEater has been doing a GREAT JOB pimping out public lands for profit too in recent years.
Best thing for public land hunting would be to BAN any commercial filming. A ban on all filming would be the best (due to all the rising YouTube influencer wannabes), but would be much harder to get passed.
And now everybody reading this thread knows how to find out where there favorite YouTuber is hunting in Florida.
Ship has sailed, damage long been done. One WMA saw a ~800% increase in non-rez apps for 2021 after their favorite tuber hunted there in the years prior. We used to draw it with 1 pt in the mid 2010s and now you will be lucky to draw that hunt with less than 4 points.
Quote from: Paulmyr on June 02, 2024, 10:42:51 AMQuote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:30:05 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on June 01, 2024, 04:41:15 PMMs limited non resident because of the influx of new hunters after the season changes in surrounding states and because its neighboring state Arkansas does a poor job of managing its habitat for turkeys and barely has season but I'm sure your aware of that fact.
The MS influx of non-residents actually started BEFORE all the season pushbacks in surrounding states. It just so happens the NR license sales began to explode once the YouTube era kicked off. With NR turkey permit sales nearly doubling from 2018 to 2021. Thankfully MS got the NR quota in place right as other states pushed their seasons back.
Covid?
Never quite understood this excuse. Even the YouTuber's have finally quit using it.
Yeah, COVID gave people more time to turkey hunt. But did COVID influence someone to travel to specific states and regions recently highlighted on YouTube and social media?
Yes the ship has sailed. Time to get over it. Really no longer matters what caused it the reality is we need to accept more quota hunts and reduced bag limits. I still shake my head over some states with seemingly the most whiners allowing three bird resident limits on public land.
Quote from: joey46 on June 02, 2024, 10:50:46 AMYes the ship has sailed. Time to get over it.
Or try to fight and preserve the remaining opportunities we have for the next generation. How are we going to maintain hunter numbers if they have nowhere to hunt?
If you are going to quote use the entire quote please.
Quote from: joey46 on June 02, 2024, 11:00:48 AMIf you are going to quote use the entire quote please.
LOL. Nice try but you edited your post and adding the last part after i'd already quoted.
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Quote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:48:39 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on June 02, 2024, 10:42:51 AMQuote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:30:05 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on June 01, 2024, 04:41:15 PMMs limited non resident because of the influx of new hunters after the season changes in surrounding states and because its neighboring state Arkansas does a poor job of managing its habitat for turkeys and barely has season but I'm sure your aware of that fact.
The MS influx of non-residents actually started BEFORE all the season pushbacks in surrounding states. It just so happens the NR license sales began to explode once the YouTube era kicked off. With NR turkey permit sales nearly doubling from 2018 to 2021. Thankfully MS got the NR quota in place right as other states pushed their seasons back.
Covid?
Never quite understood this excuse. Even the YouTuber's have finally quit using it.
Yeah, COVID gave people more time to turkey hunt. But did COVID influence someone to travel to specific states and regions recently highlighted on YouTube and social media?
Or maybe it's because those states have earlier season start dates than theirs and with all the free time why not go?
So many of these post are blatantly selfish. Oh boo hoo I now have to share my once secret public land with other legal hunters. Too bad. Life goes on. If only we could ban YouTube and non-residents things would return to the 1980s. Lol.
Quote from: deerhunt1988 on June 02, 2024, 10:24:18 AMQuote from: Paulmyr on June 01, 2024, 04:41:15 PMWhatever!
You were bad mouthing Richard Martinez the "Volunteer" Chairman of the Backwater Hunters and Anglers. A group dedicated to introducing new hunters and fisherman to the possibilities available if your not rich and/or don't own land. They are well aware of the battle for lost hunting privileges due to political pressure from antis's.
I quit supporting BHA years ago after it became obvious their main goal was R3. More specifically recruiting as many new hunters as possible. Which benefits them and the industry more than the public land hunter. They were too focused on "Pint Nights" rather than actual projects to benefit public lands. They've had a bit of a reorganization in the past year or so which I hope will get them back on the right path.
The Hunt Quietly podcast recently took a nice dive into BHA and confirmed my suspicions. Good listen and let me know I made the correct choice by quitting to support them years ago. Episode 116.
https://www.huntquietly.org/podcast
God forbid an organization follows through with one of it's stated goals of introducing new people to the outdoors and hunting and fishing!
Being from down there, I could tell you exactly where that is, as well as any other wma in the South Zone, just by the terrain. Had the contract to catch hogs out of there for SWFWM, way before it fell into the hands of FWC.