Turkey hunting forum for turkey hunting tips

So, how many folks here have received the vaccine?  At 69, I finally got notified that I am in line to get the first shot next week.  Almost everybody I know, including a bunch of folks half my age that have no "underlying conditions" or fall into the "essential worker" category, have gotten the vaccine.  Granted, I realize this whole thing has been a cluster, but it seems to me there could be a bit more control over the process than what I have personally witnessed. 

Nevertheless, I am relieved to finally be getting it....   ::)

I'm not getting it. Haven't had the flu shot in 20 years either.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

I'll be getting my 2nd shot today.  I would agree that it seems pretty random here in New Mexico, but three weeks ago I hardly knew anyone who had received a shot and now almost everyone in our age group has received at least their first shot.  The up side to scheduling sites like our NM system is that they haven't put the burden on folks to spend hours online trying to find open appointment slots.

I received my first shot last Thursday in Michigan. My wife just this Friday. I did have to watch the online services to set them up.

No flu shots for me either and passing on this one for a disease with a high survival rate. This isn't a traditional vaccine, it's really an experimental gene therapy that was first intended as a cancer treatment but was unsuccessful.  One important thing to note is the "vaccines" have not been approved but given an emergency use authorization, big difference. There has been zero study of long term side effects, or how long any protection lasts. The pharmaceutical companies do have another way of making millions though.

I'm over 60 and have heart issues along with a respiratory condition and I've never had a flu shot and will not be getting a covid vaccine. I do wish all those that do the very best. It just seems funny to me that all the medical issues this world has had since the very beginning there's a vaccine for this virus...WITHIN A YEAR?   just sayin'

I am getting my second shot the 30th. I am 35 and in very good overall health. Never had the flu shot and never will. If I get Covid most likely it will be a nothing for me. I did not get the shots for me, I got it for my 75 year old dad in chemotherapy, my 69 year old mother that has high blood pressure and blood clotting disease, my 67 year old father in law, my 65 year old mother in law, my brother in law with CKF, my sister with a clotting disorder, and other people in my life. If it was just about me then I would not get it most likely, but the world is not just about me.

I believe everyone has a choice. I had one close friend that suffered and died from covid. Two other friends in their 70s that said it was the worse virus they ever had and were lucky to survive! They are now  going to get their vaccines. My brother and sister inlaw had the virus. She had a severe case. We all live in rural areas, are republicans, and voted for President Trump. I`m a certified educated redneck!

Not getting it, save it for the folks who need it.  I am not anti vax however it is just turning into a money grab, how many politicians are invested in these companies?

I know a dozen friends who have had Covid, only one was sick to any serious extent but recovered, most felt tired for a few days and that was it.

It will soon be weaponized, can only go here or there with proof of Vaccine.  BS.

Hope everyone stays healthy.

Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 20, 2021, 10:55:46 AM
Not getting it, save it for the folks who need it.  I am not anti vax however it is just turning into a money grab, how many politicians are invested in these companies?

I know a dozen friends who have had Covid, only one was sick to any serious extent but recovered, most felt tired for a few days and that was it.

It will soon be weaponized, can only go here or there with proof of Vaccine.  BS. THIS! I BELIEVE IT!

Hope everyone stays healthy.

I dont plan on getting it either. I'm 36 and in relatively good health and don't really go around anybody that would be considered at risk except my dad and he is vehemently against it.

I agree that it's very likely those that don't get vaccinated will have their freedom of movement(and possibly many more) greatly reduced.

The govt is being nice about it now but I assume once all the volunteers have their shots the strong arming will begin.

Mike

Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

The Mrs. and myself had Covid over the holidays.It took nearly two months dragging around the house before we were back to normal.

Just returned from getting the first dose. If possible, I don't want to waste more time being sick.

It's all up to you as individuals to get the shot or not. My wife works in the health care field and on most days she see's around 250 patients so that ruffly just over 1000 people a week during her work week. It's not so much the fear of getting sick from the vaccine. It's more of a fear of getting the virus and spreading it to other people. I agree we don't still understand a lot about the virus, but if you get the virus, life could be a matter of life or death. So in my opinion the only way out right now is to get the vaccine. SO to answer your question, yes the wife and I had the vaccine. Everyone working in her office including the doctors have all had the vaccine and no one in her office had any side affects from the vaccine. So agree it all a gamble, but i never have been to lucky at gambling. So for now it all about choice, one day you may not have that opportunity to choose. Good luck either way. I pray i never lose anyone to this CHINA VIRUS. JMO

Had to get it since I work in the Ambulance shop.  High risk I was told.  Received both shots.  No issues, other than the arm was
a little sore afterwards for a day.

I got both shots, my wife gets her second Thursday. I had no side effects. As far as the dangers of Covid, as most of you know, that varies. A good friend got Covid last March and darn near died...on a ventilator for 10 days. He terms it as ten days in hell. At 78 the doctors and nurses had him dead. My take regarding people not wanting the vaccine is that's fine. However, when everyone is vaccinated that wants to be vaccinated I want to see no restrictions. Then if an unvaccinated person gets it that was their choice.

Quote from: sswv on March 20, 2021, 10:40:36 AM
I'm over 60 and have heart issues along with a respiratory condition and I've never had a flu shot and will not be getting a covid vaccine. I do wish all those that do the very best. It just seems funny to me that all the medical issues this world has had since the very beginning there's a vaccine for this virus...WITHIN A YEAR?   just sayin'

It's new tech. and made by genetic modeling. The old vaccines had to be grown then made non-infectious. This all took much more time.

I will get my second shot March 29th and my wife got the J&J one shot and is done. In my career I had worked with a professor doing genetic research on fish and I trust this vaccine because I have a basic understanding of how it works. we will see this tech bring more medical breakthroughs in the years to come. I would say it's kind of like putting a combination lock on your cells.

I know of about 10 people in my area that died of covid and my neighbors spent weeks in the hospital with it. I don't even know one person who had any reaction to the vaccine....roll them dice on your life if your not getting it.

Not getting it, already tested positive for the antibodies last March when I was retiring from the Army. Never knew I had it because not so much has a cough or sniffle the 3 months prior to that. I am a healthy 43 year old that still works out 2 times a day. Save it for those that need it the most. Plus the Army injected me with rabies, smallpox, yellow fever, hepatitis, flunshot, anthrax, measles, mumps, rubella, polio and typhoid. Plus I have taken doxycycline and Mefloquine to prevent malaria. I may be immune to everything lol.

Sent from my moto z4 using Tapatalk

I've had my first shot and the 2nd will be on 3/29.  My doctor's office offered it to all they're patients so I said "why not".  I get the flu shot every year when asked if I want it.  Again "why not".   I'm a scientist that works with viruses and other pathogens so I trust vaccines in general.  I know how the different COVID vaccines work.   The one shot Johnson & Johnson is more like traditional vaccines while the other 2 (Pfizer and Moderna) use mRNA and is similar to gene therapy as previously mentioned.  The shot I got was the Pfizer COVID vaccine.  It wouldn't have made any difference to me which one I received.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I got my first Moderna shot last week.  Fortunately, that puts my second shot between the youth and regular gun seasons, so I have a day or two to recover.  The second shot is supposed to be a doozy.  I've read up on the new vaccines, and I'm fine with them.  I get flu shots each year, and I've never had an issue.  My parents want a more traditional vaccine, so they're waiting on the J&J one-shot. 

Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on March 20, 2021, 12:44:51 PMIt wouldn't have made any difference to me which one I received.

I'm taking whatever shot I can get. I'd rather not make other people. Millions have taken the shot and no one has died from it. Millions of people have had COVID and millions have died from it.


I'd prefer Pfizer or moderna over J&J. But tell me Meleagris gallopavo you think they're all the same? From the test results J&J seems less effective but that could be when the testing was done and new variants added to the equation.

I have already had one shot and will be getting my second in about two weeks. I have worked in the in medicine and in pharma. I can not imagine not getting the vacine. Republican or Democrate you should take the vacine. By the way I vote independant as if it matters.

The Mrs. and I had our first dose on Thursday.  Scheduled for our second on the fifteenth of April.  Piece of cake guys.  Walked in, answered a few questions, went straight to a nurse answered a few more questions, had the shot, went to a table for scheduling the second shot and set down for 15 minutes.  Back out the door in 25 minutes.  If you didn't have to wait the 15 minutes total time would be about 10.  Zero effects.  Neither of us have any underlying medical conditions and we are 63 and 64 years old so...
Everyone has their reasons FOR or AGAINST so I'll leave it at that!

My wife a teacher has had both shots and was very sick after her second dose. I am eligible for mine but am still on the fence. I do feel like I will be forced to eventually get it wether it be to travel, my employer or just to see my kids play sports.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'll be getting mine whenever the Canadian supply guarantees getting both shots within the suggested timeline. As a non-essential worker and a 26 year old, that will be quite a while, I should think, but I've no real qualms about taking any of them, but I'll be looking for the Moderna if I can get it seeing as it seems to do the best against variants from what little I have heard.

I'm vaccinated. First dose of Moderna before Christmas, 2nd 4 weeks later in January (I work in healthcare in close contact with patients). My wife was able to take her first dose of Pfizer two weeks ago. I felt like crap and had a fever for about 24 hours the day after my second dose, but that's it.

I'm happy to have it. The development of these vaccines are an example of what modern medicine is capable of accomplishing when funding and worldwide cooperation are available. Millions of doses delivered with very low rate of serious side effects in the short term, with great efficacy at preventing serious complications from the virus. We don't know what the long term effects will be yet, but all indications are that there shouldn't be any. People like to bring that up as a reason to not get vaccinated, but they fail to mention the potential for long term effects post-covid. And we are seeing more and more potential for that, even in individuals that had very few symptoms when they had the virus. The choice is really between the potential long term effects of the vaccine and the potential long term effects of covid.

Nope.

Sent from my S30U+ using Tapatalk

We all have to hope that the vaccine will cause no long term effects. Think of it like an LED lamp. They state that they will last 50,000 hours or more. They haven't been on the market long enough to have burned this long. We just have to accept their claim that they will. I wish everyone a healthy, happy , successful season.   

More power to ya... I'd trust a prostate exam from Capt. Hook more than this fast tracked vaccine.

Quote from: Crghss on March 20, 2021, 01:06:42 PM

Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on March 20, 2021, 12:44:51 PMIt wouldn't have made any difference to me which one I received.

I'm taking whatever shot I can get. I'd rather not make other people. Millions have taken the shot and no one has died from it. Millions of people have had COVID and millions have died from it.


I'd prefer Pfizer or moderna over J&J. But tell me Meleagris gallopavo you think they're all the same? From the test results J&J seems less effective but that could be when the testing was done and new variants added to the equation.

I think the J&J is a little less than the Pfizer or Moderna.  I believe the Moderna is the most effective followed closely by the Pfizer.  I'd just take the one that's offered.  I'd rather have the least effective than nothing.  My wife has had both Moderna shots.  I've had one Pfizer, and my daughter just got the J&J at college.  My 16 year old son hasn't gotten a shot but he'll get one when it's his turn.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Anyone who thinks no one has died from the covid vaccine should do some research. A month ago the number was over 1,000. Google it or look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

You definitely won't get that info from any news outlet.

I will be getting the shot next week. Tested positive the last week in October. Spent several days in the hospital (no vent).

I went home and was on oxygen for a month. Was in mid January before I started to feel somewhat back to myself.

I'm 52, never had any serious health problems before. It affects people differently. Wife had it the same time. Was fine with in a week.

Your choice ... worse sickness I've ever experienced.

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 20, 2021, 04:16:17 PM
Anyone who thinks no one has died from the covid vaccine should do some research. A month ago the number was over 1,000. Google it or look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

You definitely won't get that info from any news outlet.

Agreed.  I'm NOT getting the shot. Dont trust anything the gov says.....Bill Gates has a youtube video from the past discussing human overpopulation so......

Quote from: Cowboy on March 20, 2021, 04:53:30 PM

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 20, 2021, 04:16:17 PM
Anyone who thinks no one has died from the covid vaccine should do some research. A month ago the number was over 1,000. Google it or look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

You definitely won't get that info from any news outlet.

Agreed.  I'm NOT getting the shot. Dont trust anything the gov says.....Bill Gates has a youtube video from the past discussing human overpopulation so......

Forgot to mention that we BOTH had Covid first part of December.  Super tired and exhausted for about a month, but neither one of us coughed a single time during the whole ordeal. Headache and exhaustion though. Definitely not fun but never thought I'd kick out. Everyone needs to do what they feel they need to do though. Free Country as of right now....

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 20, 2021, 04:16:17 PM
Anyone who thinks no one has died from the covid vaccine should do some research. A month ago the number was over 1,000. Google it or look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

You definitely won't get that info from any news outlet.

"Over 109 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 15, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,913 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS."

From: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

The line that states there is no clinical evidence that the vaccine contributed to patient deaths is the important one there. Correlation does not equal causation. There will be people that die within a short time from getting the vaccine that have nothing to do with the vaccine. The vaccine was given to nursing home residents, at risk individuals, and older age groups first, which skews those numbers higher. Even so, that's correlation with the vaccine, not causation.

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 20, 2021, 04:16:17 PM
Anyone who thinks no one has died from the covid vaccine should do some research. A month ago the number was over 1,000. Google it or look at https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

You definitely won't get that info from any news outlet.

The VAERS site does not report a causal relation, only that some people have died after getting the vaccine.  Around 8000 people per day die in the US and many of those, elderly and with serious health conditions, had recently received one of the vaccines. 

Quote from: davisd9 on March 20, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
I am getting my second shot the 30th. I am 35 and in very good overall health. Never had the flu shot and never will. If I get Covid most likely it will be a nothing for me. I did not get the shots for me, I got it for my 75 year old dad in chemotherapy, my 69 year old mother that has high blood pressure and blood clotting disease, my 67 year old father in law, my 65 year old mother in law, my brother in law with CKF, my sister with a clotting disorder, and other people in my life. If it was just about me then I would not get it most likely, but the world is not just about me.

.  Top 5 post of the year , kudos

I was going to post some data on Vaers and vaccine reactions, but huntineveryday and Rapscallion Vermilion beat me to it...well done fellas.

My money is on the vaccine all day every day

I work for the school system and got my first shot last week, the moderna one and didn't have side effects at all other than a little sore around the shot area on my arm.

Nope not getting it. 98% survival rate vs some Dr. Voodoo vaccine. I worry more about getting killed in a crash than dying of whuhan flu.Due to my occupation, I see fatal car crashes on a regular basis, but only known a handful of people that had corona. All of them were fine, including a few that had serious health conditions. Not saying that it isn't dangerous, but the media has driven a fear mongering filled narrative to accomplish certain goals they had. I have no problem with anyone who wants to get it, but it's not for me.

Not for me. I won't be getting it.

Basically, some live their entire life like a wolf among sheep and will not comply.

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 20, 2021, 07:40:49 PM
Basically, some live their entire life like a wolf among sheep and will not comply.

Now thats funny....

Quote from: Crghss on March 20, 2021, 01:06:42 PM

Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on March 20, 2021, 12:44:51 PMIt wouldn't have made any difference to me which one I received.

I'm taking whatever shot I can get. I'd rather not make other people. Millions have taken the shot and no one has died from it. Millions of people have had COVID and millions have died from it.


I'd prefer Pfizer or moderna over J&J. But tell me Meleagris gallopavo you think they're all the same? From the test results J&J seems less effective but that could be when the testing was done and new variants added to the equation.

Pfizer has over 260 billion paid out for malpractice suits and was given immunity from prosecution if anything goes wrong with their vaccine. They would be the last one I would choose the shot from if I wanted it.

By the way, I have a compromised immune system because I do not have a spleen, I used to get flu and pneumonia shoots all the time because of it and I ended up in the hospital almost every year with pneumonia or bronchitis, I stopped taking the shots and low and behold I have not ended up in the hospital in over 10 years at least and I think it is longer.

Better to be the wolf then the sheep lead to slaughter

My wife and I both had the first round this past week. Both her parents, my Mom and her husband have all had the vaccination.

We weighed the options and decided to take the vaccine rather than to risk the effects of Covid.

We would probably be fine, but I know a few that have had a bad time with it.

I had one uncle on a ventilator for 11 weeks, another that died from it and a cousin that hasn't fully got over it since August.

A coworker's brother died from it at the age of 49

I'm 37 and had the first Moderna. Awaiting the booster. No real side effects other than a sore arm and was a bit tired the first few days.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm going to get the vax when the mail em out.

Here's the stats:

2020 Us Deaths was 334,000 higher than 2019 total Us deaths
Average influenza deaths per year in US: up to 61,000
Total COVID US deaths: 541,000

Anyone who died in 2020 that tested positive for COVID, listed cause of death as COVID. If you subtract 61,000 from the difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 (334,000), that is a difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 of 273,000. Far cry from 541,000. There's the facts. Keeps us all thinking. Be safe,

No

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 08:41:14 PM
Here's the stats:

2020 Us Deaths was 334,000 higher than 2019 total Us deaths
Average influenza deaths per year in US: up to 61,000
Total COVID US deaths: 541,000

Anyone who died in 2020 that tested positive for COVID, listed cause of death as COVID. If you subtract 61,000 from the difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 (334,000), that is a difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 of 273,000. Far cry from 541,000. There's the facts. Keeps us all thinking. Be safe,

Trying to understand how you got to 334K?

So how many have died from the flu in 2020?

Did 61K die from the flu in 2020? The answer is no. So why are you subtracting 61K from total deaths in 2020?

Quote from: Crghss on March 20, 2021, 08:50:57 PM

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 08:41:14 PM
Here's the stats:

2020 Us Deaths was 334,000 higher than 2019 total Us deaths
Average influenza deaths per year in US: up to 61,000
Total COVID US deaths: 541,000

Anyone who died in 2020 that tested positive for COVID, listed cause of death as COVID. If you subtract 61,000 from the difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 (334,000), that is a difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 of 273,000. Far cry from 541,000. There's the facts. Keeps us all thinking. Be safe,

Trying to understand how you got to 334K?

So how many have died from the flu in 2020?

Did 61K die from the flu in 2020? The answer is no. So why are you subtracting 61K from total deaths in 2020?

2017-2018- 61,000 flu deaths according to CDC. My stats above said up to 61,000. Disregard all the possible flu deaths, there is still a significant difference between 334,000 and 541,000. Be safe...

Quote from: Dtrkyman on March 20, 2021, 10:55:46 AM
Not getting it, save it for the folks who need it.  I am not anti vax however it is just turning into a money grab, how many politicians are invested in these companies?

I know a dozen friends who have had Covid, only one was sick to any serious extent but recovered, most felt tired for a few days and that was it.

It will soon be weaponized, can only go here or there with proof of Vaccine.  BS.

Hope everyone stays healthy.

I am with you on this!!!

Quote from: davisd9 on March 20, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
I am getting my second shot the 30th. I am 35 and in very good overall health. Never had the flu shot and never will. If I get Covid most likely it will be a nothing for me. I did not get the shots for me, I got it for my 75 year old dad in chemotherapy, my 69 year old mother that has high blood pressure and blood clotting disease, my 67 year old father in law, my 65 year old mother in law, my brother in law with CKF, my sister with a clotting disorder, and other people in my life. If it was just about me then I would not get it most likely, but the world is not just about me.

There's a lot to like in this post from my perspective. I understand all points of view related to this vaccine.

I am fully vaccinated. In addition to the thoughts I quoted from davisd9, I also have diabetes and my wife has rheumatoid arthritis. My diabetes is well under control and I am in good health, but still another reason for me to get it.

For those that don't want it, I still say more power to you. Thankfully it is a choice. Make your choice and stick with it unless YOU change your mind.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 08:58:34 PM

Quote from: Crghss on March 20, 2021, 08:50:57 PM

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 08:41:14 PM
Here's the stats:

2020 Us Deaths was 334,000 higher than 2019 total Us deaths
Average influenza deaths per year in US: up to 61,000
Total COVID US deaths: 541,000

Anyone who died in 2020 that tested positive for COVID, listed cause of death as COVID. If you subtract 61,000 from the difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 (334,000), that is a difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 of 273,000. Far cry from 541,000. There's the facts. Keeps us all thinking. Be safe,

Trying to understand how you got to 334K?

So how many have died from the flu in 2020?

Did 61K die from the flu in 2020? The answer is no. So why are you subtracting 61K from total deaths in 2020?

2017-2018- 61,000 flu deaths according to CDC. My stats above said up to 61,000. Disregard all the possible flu deaths, there is still a significant difference between 334,000 and 541,000. Be safe...

Yes, but about 180,000 of those 541,000 US COVID deaths have occurred since the end of 2020, so you should compare to the deaths at the end of 2020.  If you look at the period from March of 2020 till now, the increase in US deaths is about 560,000 more than average. 

Quote from: Rapscallion Vermilion on March 20, 2021, 09:35:17 PM

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 08:58:34 PM

Quote from: Crghss on March 20, 2021, 08:50:57 PM

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 08:41:14 PM
Here's the stats:

2020 Us Deaths was 334,000 higher than 2019 total Us deaths
Average influenza deaths per year in US: up to 61,000
Total COVID US deaths: 541,000

Anyone who died in 2020 that tested positive for COVID, listed cause of death as COVID. If you subtract 61,000 from the difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 (334,000), that is a difference in deaths from 2019 to 2020 of 273,000. Far cry from 541,000. There's the facts. Keeps us all thinking. Be safe,

Trying to understand how you got to 334K?

So how many have died from the flu in 2020?

Did 61K die from the flu in 2020? The answer is no. So why are you subtracting 61K from total deaths in 2020?

2017-2018- 61,000 flu deaths according to CDC. My stats above said up to 61,000. Disregard all the possible flu deaths, there is still a significant difference between 334,000 and 541,000. Be safe...

Yes, but about 180,000 of those 541,000 US COVID deaths have occurred since the end of 2020, so you should compare to the deaths at the end of 2020.  If you look at the period from March of 2020 till now, the increase in US deaths is about 560,000 more than average.

I missed that Mike. Not down playing it. It is definitely a problem, there are so many varying numbers out there it is confusing...be safe my friend...

I'm fairly young but I've been fully vaccinated for over a month now due to work.

My wife and I had COVID in November. She had mild symptoms, lost sense of taste and smell, and felt tired for about 10 days. I had no symptoms. I am asymptomatic. My wife has her shot scheduled for next week. I am registered, but not eligible yet. I am going to get the shot because I do not want to spread the virus to anyone around me. We are all in this together, thus I owe it to others to get the vaccine. We will all battle this together, hopefully it will disappear. Be safe,

Wife and I have both had 1 Moderna shot , no side effects at all , second one coming next week . Be able to hug the grandkids soon. It's your choice .

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 09:59:38 PM
My wife and I had COVID in November. She had mild symptoms, lost sense of taste and smell, and felt tired for about 10 days. I had no symptoms. I am asymptomatic. My wife has her shot scheduled for next week. I am registered, but not eligible yet. I am going to get the shot because I do not want to spread the virus to anyone around me. We are all in this together, thus I owe it to others to get the vaccine. We will all battle this together, hopefully it will disappear. Be safe,

Great attitude about this Tom

I turned 37 the other day. For a good while I was in the no vaccine for me camp. Ive never got the flu shot and dont plan to start. However, one of my very best friends got covid and gave it to his future father in law, who needed to be picked up by ambulance. He was coughing up blood and ended up spending some time in the hospital fighting the virus. He is now out of the hospital but is still working through COPD type symptoms months later. Hearing what happened to him, and what it put my friend through mentally, changed my tune toward vaccination some.
I am eligible for the vaccine mid April and will be getting the Moderna or Pfizer shots. I will be doing it for my family. My 3yr old daughter spends the day at 80yr old grandpa and 72yr old grandma's house two days a week. I would feel horrible if they or anyone else I am close to ended up contracting and having to fight the virus because of me.
I am glad getting the vaccine is a choice, as I think it should be. Everyone's beliefs and situation is different. Hope everyone stays safe and healthy.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

I will pass. Thanks for asking.

In still undecided.  My wife and I both had it bad just after Christmas and was basically bed ridden for two weeks.  I just lost my Grandmother and Aunt in the last 15 days both due to covid so I know how bad it can be.  Why I am hesitant is that I believe I should ha e the antibodies from fighting it and basically that's what the vaccine is supposed to do anyway. BTW I'm 41 and in decent health

Nope. Not for me.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

I've had both shots. Received second shot back in January. I respect everyone's opinion and choice. However, misinformation is rampant and leads many to choose to avoid the vaccine. As a healthcare provider, I would strongly encourage everyone to take the vaccine. I know many who died from Covid or were extremely sick for a very long time.

Quote from: Rapscallion Vermilion on March 20, 2021, 10:39:52 PM

Quote from: Tom007 on March 20, 2021, 09:59:38 PM
My wife and I had COVID in November. She had mild symptoms, lost sense of taste and smell, and felt tired for about 10 days. I had no symptoms. I am asymptomatic. My wife has her shot scheduled for next week. I am registered, but not eligible yet. I am going to get the shot because I do not want to spread the virus to anyone around me. We are all in this together, thus I owe it to others to get the vaccine. We will all battle this together, hopefully it will disappear. Be safe,

Great attitude about this Tom

Thanks Mike. This whole thing has been tough on all of us. The bright side is that we will beat this virus like we have in the past. It is so sad that loved ones have been lost. Stay well, be safe..

Here's the formula I used to decide about the vaccine:

(331,000,000 people in U.S. / 30,000,000+ cases of covid = 1 in 10 people infected) x

(30,000,000 cases/547,000 dead = 1 in 55 infected died) x (hillybily common sense coefficient) =  one hell of a lot of suffering

The solution:

(1 in 10 chance of getting Covid) + (1 in 55 chance of dying from Covid) x (vaccination) = 0 to very little chance of dying  and getting infected. Solution- back to normal life and one hell of a lot of suffering avoided

Not getting it at age 66 why would I injected a untested vaccine into a healthy body? Not sure why everyone is rushing to get this covid vaccine when the science has no data on how long the vaccine will protect you or it's long term side effects like get Alzheimer's or Diabetes. If I already had the Chinese Virus and now have immunity's against it then why add more risk of unknowns with a few shots like above post ratio it's a .0003% death rate. I wish everyone that got it good health. But I'll pass on this one. My body my right.

Quote from: CAPTJJ on March 20, 2021, 10:27:48 AM
No flu shots for me either and passing on this one for a disease with a high survival rate. This isn't a traditional vaccine, it's really an experimental gene therapy that was first intended as a cancer treatment but was unsuccessful.  One important thing to note is the "vaccines" have not been approved but given an emergency use authorization, big difference. There has been zero study of long term side effects, or how long any protection lasts. The pharmaceutical companies do have another way of making millions though.

^^^This is why I passed on it also. Gonna wait and see what happens. I am a medic and have been around numerous positive cases with no ill effects so far. But if I get a positive result, I do know where I will quarantine

Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk

Great thread, great comments both for and against.  Thanks folks.

I'm 46, in good health with no preexisting diseases, and so is my wife.  I work in healthcare and have taken care of covid patients and it's no joke.  I'm low risk, shoot there's a reasonable chance I've had it already but never had symptoms, but my dad whose got a bad ticker takes insulin and hasn't exercised a second in his life is very high risk.  Along with 90% of the folks I see at Walmart and McDonald's.

Both me and my wife (who also works in healthcare) got it and were happy to have had it.

If you don't want it I respect your choice, but would encourage you to take a second look.

Sent from my SM-G986U using Tapatalk

63 and vaccinated! 

Better safe than sorry.  If it doesn't work and I don't make it, I had a great life!


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

73 and vaccinated. Fortunately, we may well achieve herd immunity without those who make the decision not to be vaccinated. It`s interesting and baffling the " information " that many people have used to make decisions concerning these vaccines, none of which even approached a basis in actual immunological science or virology. IMHO as soon as this became politicized, that was the ball game. Instead of treating this virus for what it is, an alien invasion, it somehow morphed into Democrats vs. Republicans. Thank God this thing wasn`t an Ebola or Marburg. We wouldn`t have had the time to stand around to debate and argue with each other. I hope we`ve learned a lesson before the next one. And there is a next one.

No vaccine but I did test positive on March 3rd. The virus hit me pretty hard with all of the symptoms except a fever. I'm almost back to normal other than not having my energy back. Oh and I still don't have my taste or smell. I'm undecided if I am going to get the shot or not on my own. The military might force me to just like a flu shot every year. Time will tell I guess. Either way I hope I never get it again...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I've avoided it

Like I stated earlier, I don't care what choice anyone makes, but one of the factors for me is not wanting to be a carrier and take the chance of infecting anyone.

Also, I know a guy that had it in August pretty bad, got over it, and ended up back in the hospital in November with blood clots in his lungs.

I also work with a guy that had it in May, recovered from mild symptoms and then in June, was rushed to the hospital with a 90% blockage in his heart. The Dr stated it was likely from Covid issues and the natural reaction of the body.


I guess what I am saying is the after effects can be very bad for a person, I've avoided it so far and if the vaccine will continue to let me avoid it, then that is my plan.

Whatever anyone does, I wish them the best health.

My wife and I both got out second Moderna shot two weeks ago. The side effects for me were a little more pronounced than for my wife, we both had a sore shoulder for a couple of days with both shots. The day after the second shot I felt a little nauseous that last about 12 hours which could also have been from one of the meds I take for something else, my wife no effects.  This is the first flu shot of any kind I have ever taken. What made me decide to get the shot was when I see Medical Professionals, such as doctors and nurses, getting the vaccines then I take note. I have always looked to professionals in the field  to find answers to questions.   

There was a very interesting show on History or National Geographic on the development of the vaccine by Pfized about a week ago. Many of the points that were brought up in this thread were refuted by what was in that show. All the Doctors that  were involved said that at the outset when they were tasked with the development of the vaccine they said it was impossible in the time allowed. But due to some innovative ideas and cooperation they were able to get a vaccine. One of the things they did to cut down on the time is the normal process is done in three consecutive steps whereas with this vaccine they did the three steps in parallel.

Took my first Moderna shot a week ago.

To each his own.

As someone else mentioned earlier in the thread, I am afraid our wonderful gubmint will use the vaccine as an excuse to exclude folks from certain activities.  No vaccine?  No admission to that concert or football game.  No vaccine?  Can't board a plane to fly anywhere.  Etc, etc, etc.

Quote from: NCL on March 21, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
There was a very interesting show on History or National Geographic on the development of the vaccine by Pfized about a week ago. Many of the points that were brought up in this thread were refuted by what was in that show. All the Doctors that  were involved said that at the outset when they were tasked with the development of the vaccine they said it was impossible in the time allowed. But due to some innovative ideas and cooperation they were able to get a vaccine. One of the things they did to cut down on the time is the normal process is done in three consecutive steps whereas with this vaccine they did the three steps in parallel.

Necessity and funding breeds innovation.  I don't know about the funding part as related to the development of the COVID vaccines, but I imagine it's somewhere. 

By the end of May, anyone that wants a shot will have a chance to get theirs.  In our county, we have 27% of the population with at least one shot.  IMO, by the end of April, everyone in the US will be bombarded with TV, radio and telephone calls BEGGING people to make their appointments for the vaccine.  With 3 manufacturers of the vaccine and the quantities being made, each of us will make a decision and live with that decision.  I'm ready to get over this and get RID of these ridiculous regulations and masks.

I received the Johnson/Johnson vaccine last week, one of easiest decision I ever had to make!

Also, remember for now the vaccine is at no cost. Sure we will pay it all back in tax dollars.

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 21, 2021, 03:43:35 PM
Also, remember for now the vaccine is at no cost. Sure we will pay it all back in tax dollars.

Agreed Greg. We are paying for it now. Government operates on tax dollars 24/7. Just like the stimulus check.  Already tax payer money. 

I hope my gut/instincts/research are wrong, but this whole covid/vaccine situation stinks something terrible.

Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on March 21, 2021, 02:19:23 PM

Quote from: NCL on March 21, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
There was a very interesting show on History or National Geographic on the development of the vaccine by Pfized about a week ago. Many of the points that were brought up in this thread were refuted by what was in that show. All the Doctors that  were involved said that at the outset when they were tasked with the development of the vaccine they said it was impossible in the time allowed. But due to some innovative ideas and cooperation they were able to get a vaccine. One of the things they did to cut down on the time is the normal process is done in three consecutive steps whereas with this vaccine they did the three steps in parallel.

Necessity and funding breeds innovation.  I don't know about the funding part as related to the development of the COVID vaccines, but I imagine it's somewhere.

One of the interesting points in that show about the vaccine was that when the government offered money to Pfizer for the development of the vaccine they turned it down.

Quote from: gergg on March 22, 2021, 05:51:46 AM
I hope my gut/instincts/research are wrong, but this whole covid/vaccine situation stinks something terrible.

That`s an interesting and more than a little provocative statement. Care to elucidate?

Got my second shot today. Many reasons to get it, not many reasons not to. Keeps me safe and you.

Quote from: Turkeytider on March 22, 2021, 08:54:28 AM

Quote from: gergg on March 22, 2021, 05:51:46 AM
I hope my gut/instincts/research are wrong, but this whole covid/vaccine situation stinks something terrible.

That`s an interesting and more than a little provocative statement. Care to elucidate?

Probably the fact that this virus has a outrageous survival rate. Also, why are they still requiring masks for people that have been vaccinated?

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

The "reason" masks (which studies have shown don't reduce transmission rates of respiratory viruses) are still required is because this isn't a true vaccine because it doesn't prevent you from acquiring the virus. The effectiveness is only that it lessens symptoms and reduces hospitalizations. You can also still transmit it to others, so the argument of getting the vaccine to protect the more vulnerable isn't valid. It only protects an individual, and may harm you.

No shots here. People were duped big time. Think for a moment here when OBAMA/BIDEN were in office we had the H1N1 virus no shots required, no mask, no shut downs people worked right through it. With Covid 19 statistics were manipulated big time. Hell your annual Flu shot is hit or miss every year. Good luck if you do get the experimental shots. :firefighter:

Have received both covid shots and had no issues...I'm 75 and am in the high risk category having served three tours in Vietnam...Had Agent Orange, malaria and pneumonia five or six times....Still active and bagged a big gobbler on opening day here in Bama...Get the shot and don't be part of the problem.... :OGturkeyhead:

Quote from: turkey john on March 22, 2021, 11:34:49 AM
Have received both covid shots and had no issues...I'm 75 and am in the high risk category having served three tours in Vietnam...Had Agent Orange, malaria and pneumonia five or six times....Still active and bagged a big gobbler on opening day here in Bama...Get the shot and don't be part of the problem.... :OGturkeyhead:

congratulations! and thank you for your service and sacrifice sir

Quote from: CAPTJJ on March 22, 2021, 10:28:52 AM
The "reason" masks (which studies have shown don't reduce transmission rates of respiratory viruses) are still required is because this isn't a true vaccine because it doesn't prevent you from acquiring the virus. The effectiveness is only that it lessens symptoms and reduces hospitalizations. You can also still transmit it to others, so the argument of getting the vaccine to protect the more vulnerable isn't valid. It only protects an individual, and may harm you.

Research is disputing this more all  the time. They aren't certain but it is looking more and more like it does indeed protect against transmission. Here is a article on it. Becoming infectious to other people is usually after the virus has replicated in someone's system to high rate of virus cells or titer. After the vaccine your immune system attacks the proteins of the virus as soon as you get it, that is what prevents illness. So if it destroys the virus quick enough to prevent illness, it also greatly reduces your probability of being a vector or infecting others. Time will tell. No vaccine ever prevented someone from acquiring virus, they teach our immune system to destroy it when we do. Yes these are true vaccines.

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/mrna-coronavirus-vaccine-prevent-infection-transmission/

I'm 60 and I'm not going to take it. The virus has an extremely high survival rate, and I have a very strong immune system and rarely get sick, even after 34 years in the fire department being exposed to God knows what.
This vaccine was rushed through, and I don't trust it or the government. I take proper precautions and I live out in the country. That's as good as it's going to get on my end.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Quote from: turkey john on March 22, 2021, 11:34:49 AM
Have received both covid shots and had no issues...I'm 75 and am in the high risk category having served three tours in Vietnam...Had Agent Orange, malaria and pneumonia five or six times....Still active and bagged a big gobbler on opening day here in Bama...Get the shot and don't be part of the problem.... :OGturkeyhead:

What problem the shots are not mandatory. Thank you for your service from 1 to another. My BIL was in Nam spent a yr in 65 over there he said on Sundays you took the pill the size of a nickle for malaria and other diseases over there. There were guys that didnt take the pill and had to go state side wonder if that pill was hydroxchloroquine that some one was pushing. Dr. Fauci the allmighty now says get jabbed x2 and you still have to wear face diaper and social distance at 3' what for if your vacinated its a head game at this point now folks.

Quote from: Twowithone on March 22, 2021, 12:13:07 PM

Quote from: turkey john on March 22, 2021, 11:34:49 AM
Have received both covid shots and had no issues...I'm 75 and am in the high risk category having served three tours in Vietnam...Had Agent Orange, malaria and pneumonia five or six times....Still active and bagged a big gobbler on opening day here in Bama...Get the shot and don't be part of the problem.... :OGturkeyhead:

What problem the shots are not mandatory. Thank you for your service from 1 to another. My BIL was in Nam spent a yr in 65 over there he said on Sundays you took the pill the size of a nickle for malaria and other diseases over there. There were guys that didnt take the pill and had to go state side wonder if that pill was hydroxchloroquine that some one was pushing. Dr. Fauci the allmighty now says get jabbed x2 and you still have to wear face diaper and social distance at 3' what for if your vacinated its a head game at this point now folks.

Don't forget, he said to wear two masks also.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

  Even if you get vaccinated they don't know how long it will last for minimum amount of time says three months to whenever.

  I live in a small town most everyone knows each other or your friend knows the person. We know people in the health field not getting the shot.

   I can give you a situation friend of mine had a buddy went to get tested last summer waiting in line he filled out paper work was extremely hot so he left without getting tested. Guess what few days later he got called and told he tested positive.

  So if they can quickly come up with a vaccine with no covid in it in three- four months. Then tell me why they can't do that with the flu vaccine. Why haven't they cured the common cold???

  For those that tell me I should get vaccinated and if I don't then I'm the problem. Then I say carry your behind to a communist country where your told to do everything. Leave your guns at the door because there's plenty of people saying your the problem on gun violence. What about that defenseless turkey you just killed on opening day bet there's right many people that would complain about that.

  Last I looked I do have a few remaining rights left in this country and not getting the shot as of right now is one of them.   GOD BLESS ALL. 

I had Pfizer - first dose 4 weeks ago, 2nd dose 1 week ago. Mild "not quite right" feeling for a couple days.  Just not full energy - may have been psychosomatic too. No fever.

I think folks that see conspiracies everywhere and distrust "Big Pharma" and the government have a right to their opinions and can do what they like. It is your body and your choice.  Vaccines are all about odds-odds of disease vs odds of reaction to vaccine.  I do find the sources folks look to for their medical information to be very interesting.  There was a time I would have bothered to educate folks about some of the issues, but now I only bother when asked. 

Everyone stay safe and I hope your life expectancy is long and the turkey's you chase are short! 

I will pass. Good luck

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Several studies and polls are out there showing that around 20-35% (depending on which study you look at) of healthcare workers are not getting the vaccine. 

I have a team of 30 RNs and only about 40% of them HAVE or are planning to get the vaccine. 

One additional information to keep in mind as you look at stats among healthcare workers, many do not have a choice.  The clinics and hospitals are requiring them. So the participation rate is higher due to requirements, not by choice. 

I'm passing on it mostly because it's a new vaccine and I equate it to a car company coming out with a new model, I want the kinks worked out before I put it in my body.  I'm glad they came up with one so quickly for those that want it but I'm fortunate to not have any loved ones who are high risk and for 46 my health is very good.  I take my Vitamin D and zinc daily, exercise regularly eat lots of wild game and get outside ALOT. 

Quote from: CALLM2U on March 22, 2021, 02:22:59 PM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Several studies and polls are out there showing that around 20-35% (depending on which study you look at) of healthcare workers are not getting the vaccine. 

I have a team of 30 RNs and only about 40% of them HAVE or are planning to get the vaccine. 

One additional information to keep in mind as you look at stats among healthcare workers, many do not have a choice.  The clinics and hospitals are requiring them. So the participation rate is higher due to requirements, not by choice.

What percentage of physicians received it? Do you know?

A couple of interesting links to read/watch

https://mcusercontent.com/92561d6dedb66a43fe9a6548f/files/ee29efbe-ffaf-4289-8782-d323642a0072/concern_about_using_current_Covid_19_vaccines_for_mass_vaccination_in_the_midst_of_a_pandemic_Geert_Vanden_Bossche.pdf

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-15-top-vaccine-scientist-warns-the-world-halt-all-covid-19-vaccinations.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eqoCLHH1e8

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 02:46:19 PM

Quote from: CALLM2U on March 22, 2021, 02:22:59 PM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Several studies and polls are out there showing that around 20-35% (depending on which study you look at) of healthcare workers are not getting the vaccine. 

I have a team of 30 RNs and only about 40% of them HAVE or are planning to get the vaccine. 

One additional information to keep in mind as you look at stats among healthcare workers, many do not have a choice.  The clinics and hospitals are requiring them. So the participation rate is higher due to requirements, not by choice.

What percentage of physicians received it? Do you know?

I have not seen it broken down to individual healthcare professional occ level. However, as I stated above, many employers are requiring the vaccinations so the participation level is skewed. 

Antidotally, of the physicians I work with, most all have received vaccines.  The majority have told me they would not have done so if given a choice.  Regionalism, age, ect probably would play a role in the numbers across the country. 

Quote from: CALLM2U on March 22, 2021, 05:00:51 PM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 02:46:19 PM

Quote from: CALLM2U on March 22, 2021, 02:22:59 PM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Several studies and polls are out there showing that around 20-35% (depending on which study you look at) of healthcare workers are not getting the vaccine. 

I have a team of 30 RNs and only about 40% of them HAVE or are planning to get the vaccine. 

One additional information to keep in mind as you look at stats among healthcare workers, many do not have a choice.  The clinics and hospitals are requiring them. So the participation rate is higher due to requirements, not by choice.

What percentage of physicians received it? Do you know?

I have not seen it broken down to individual healthcare professional occ level. However, as I stated above, many employers are requiring the vaccinations so the participation level is skewed. 

Antidotally, of the physicians I work with, most all have received vaccines.  The majority have told me they would not have done so if given a choice.  Regionalism, age, ect probably would play a role in the numbers across the country.

I find that very interesting that the physicians would have opted out if they could. Definitely not the norm around here. Most all welcomed it happily and eagerly.

Best of luck this spring

I'm not getting it, main reason is because the government wants you too. I used to get sick all the time, everything that came around I caught. I had a weak immune system. Years ago I started eating raw garlic every single day, and still do. My immune system is strong now, don't get sick anymore, the true medicine is in the right foods.

Our hospital system was about 75-80% vaccinated, and no one was forced, it was their choice. None of the hospital systems in our region forced employees to receive it either. Most of my colleagues took the same approach, we studied the available evidence using our education in evidence based medicine and got the vaccine.

No vaccine, no mask, over this whole BS and that is exactly what it is, BS

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Most of those employed in the healthcare field are REQUIRED to take the vaccine in order to keep their employment.  Just like they are REQUIRED to take flu shots every year, if they want to keep their employment.
Maybe those in the healthcare field are taking it voluntarily or maybe they are taking because it is required to stay employed.  It's difficult to make a determination on the reasoning, when there is coercion involved.
 

Quote from: rstewart8706 on March 23, 2021, 06:25:20 AM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Most of those employed in the healthcare field are REQUIRED to take the vaccine in order to keep their employment.  Just like they are REQUIRED to take flu shots every year, if they want to keep their employment.
Maybe those in the healthcare field are taking it voluntarily or maybe they are taking because it is required to stay employed.  It's difficult to make a determination on the reasoning, when there is coercion involved.

No one in our hospital system was forced to take it, and no one in the other hospital systems in our region were forced to take it.

FYI: Got the first shot with the wife yesterday.  No ill affects other than a slightly sore arm at the site of the shot.  Process was painless and well-organized.  Took a total of about thirty minutes from start to finish, including waiting there after the shot for 15 minutes to see if there was a reaction. 
:icon_thumright:

...And, oh yeah,...we were given a card showing we had the shot and were told to keep it handy so that we could prove we had been vaccinated because at some point in time, there were probably going to be circumstances where we would have to prove we were vaccinated to do certain things in the future such as taking a commercial air flight.  Proof of vaccination may well become as important as having your drivers license, proof of insurance in your vehicle, passport, etc.   :icon_thumright:

Quote from: Greg Massey on March 20, 2021, 11:42:34 AM
It's all up to you as individuals to get the shot or not. My wife works in the health care field and on most days she see's around 250 patients so that ruffly just over 1000 people a week during her work week. It's not so much the fear of getting sick from the vaccine. It's more of a fear of getting the virus and spreading it to other people. I agree we don't still understand a lot about the virus, but if you get the virus, life could be a matter of life or death. So in my opinion the only way out right now is to get the vaccine. SO to answer your question, yes the wife and I had the vaccine. Everyone working in her office including the doctors have all had the vaccine and no one in her office had any side affects from the vaccine. So agree it all a gamble, but i never have been to lucky at gambling. So for now it all about choice, one day you may not have that opportunity to choose. Good luck either way. I pray i never lose anyone to this CHINA VIRUS. JMO

250 patients a day? Good grief man what does she do for a living? 
My wife is a nurse and she got the vaccine, I've not taken it and don't plan on it. 

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Now that`s an interesting statement. I`m in healthcare ( graduate studies in microbiology and immunology ) and curious to know what`s led you to the conclusion that those outside of healthcare are " more educated on the subject ". Some of the things I hear in the general populace regarding what the vaccines are and aren`t just simply boggle the mind and have absolutely no foundation in anything approaching science at all.

If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

Quote from: Turkeytider on March 23, 2021, 08:50:58 AM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Now that`s an interesting statement. I`m in healthcare ( graduate studies in microbiology and immunology ) and curious to know what`s led you to the conclusion that those outside of healthcare are " more educated on the subject ". Some of the things I hear in the general populace regarding what the vaccines are and aren`t just simply boggle the mind and have absolutely no foundation in anything approaching science at all.

Uhhh,....I could be wrong, but I believe there was some sarcasm involved with Gumby's comment...   ;D :angel9:

Quote from: GobbleNut on March 23, 2021, 08:58:16 AM

Quote from: Turkeytider on March 23, 2021, 08:50:58 AM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Now that`s an interesting statement. I`m in healthcare ( graduate studies in microbiology and immunology ) and curious to know what`s led you to the conclusion that those outside of healthcare are " more educated on the subject ". Some of the things I hear in the general populace regarding what the vaccines are and aren`t just simply boggle the mind and have absolutely no foundation in anything approaching science at all.

Uhhh,....I could be wrong, but I believe there was some sarcasm involved with Gumby's comment...   ;D :angel9:

You know, maybe so. I may have completely misread the comment! If so, my sincere apologies to Gumby!! Wouldn`t be the first time and I`m sure it won`t be the last!

I heard the vaccine will make you younger, more handsome and a better turkey hunter (because you won't have brain fog ). Do you feel more handsome, smarter and younger Gobblenut? I think I do but my wife says I am full of crap....is that a side affect? Now that's sarcasm font

Quote from: eggshell on March 23, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
I heard the vaccine will make you younger, more handsome and a better turkey hunter (because you won't have brain fog ). Do you feel more handsome, smarter and younger Gobblenut? I think I do but my wife says I am full of crap....is that a side affect? Now that's sarcasm font

Maybe it's just that I haven't had the vaccine long enough yet, but my wife has given no indication that it has had any of those positive affects on me.  Now, maybe the brain fog has resulted in me being a better turkey hunter in my mind.  If so, I'll take it.  Maybe it will make me forget a bunch of the times I have been schooled by gobblers.  If that's the case, I hope they hurry up with that second shot!   ;D

Quote from: Turkeytider on March 23, 2021, 08:50:58 AM

Quote from: Gumby on March 22, 2021, 12:03:38 PM
Always interesting to me how almost all in healthcare  get the vaccine. Others outside of healthcare seem to be more educated on the subject, and thus refuse to get it.  Makes perfect sense.

Now that`s an interesting statement. I`m in healthcare ( graduate studies in microbiology and immunology ) and curious to know what`s led you to the conclusion that those outside of healthcare are " more educated on the subject ". Some of the things I hear in the general populace regarding what the vaccines are and aren`t just simply boggle the mind and have absolutely no foundation in anything approaching science at all.

I was being sarcastic. No apologies needed. Regardless of vaccine or no vaccine everyone is entitled to their personal option. That's what makes this country great. As a healthcare provider I just get frustrated when people choose to not take it due to misinformation.

I think a lot of Michigan people are electing not to get it. Starting next week kids 16 and up can get it already.
Was thinking it would take to the fall for that age group.
I totally believe the outcome is a direct result of having a lying deceptive governor that can't be trusted.

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

Not calling you out but just cause you've had the vaccine doesn't mean you can't spread it. Theres so much misinformation out there cause the idiots, mostly fauchi, have flipped flopped on everything about the virus from the beginning till now. Fauchi and Gates are literally on a video from 2017 stating there would be a pandemic in 2020. 1. There's no way of knowing that if it occurred naturally and 2. Gates is behind the vaccine and I trust a bill Cosby drink more than him

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Quote from: turkey_slayer on March 23, 2021, 04:44:25 PM

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

Not calling you out but just cause you've had the vaccine doesn't mean you can't spread it. Theres so much misinformation out there cause the idiots, mostly fauchi, have flipped flopped on everything about the virus from the beginning till now. Fauchi and Gates are literally on a video from 2017 stating there would be a pandemic in 2020. 1. There's no way of knowing that if it occurred naturally and 2. Gates is behind the vaccine and I trust a bill Cosby drink more than him

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

X2

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Quote from: turkey_slayer on March 23, 2021, 04:44:25 PM

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

Fauchi and Gates are literally on a video from 2017 stating there would be a pandemic in 2020.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Could you provide a link to that video?

Wife and I have both had the first round and will get the second shot the day before Easter.
I believe in science. There are some really smart folks out there.

Yep. really smart folks out there...and then Dr. Fauci said, "I bet I can get idiots to wear two masks"

I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone should follow their own heart. I for one do not believe there are any conspiracies behind either Covid or the vaccine. It may be possible that someone made a terrible mistake that let Covid loose on the world, but I don't believe our government plotted against us. Now some other nations have some history that might suggest such a thing, but not in the USA. I believe in the science and I think the scientist and political leaders are all doing what they feel is best. Some certainly have better ideas than others and some have lost contact with everyday citizens, but they still live and breath USA. We do see some contradictions coming from the experts, but perhaps they are being open about their mistakes and simply learning as we go. I do not believe the FDA would allow mass distribution of a vaccine they didn't feel would help us out of this terrible pandemic, did they make some allowances, probably. I think it's our best fight. Even Democrats and Republicans alike  agree on the vaccine....how often does that happen. We are a great country and the fact we can protest, disagree with the government and refuse a vaccine is what makes us great. Our political leaders are citizens just like us. I think we have the greatest science minds in the world. People often don't trust what they don't understand. Some just don't trust anything and are skeptical of all. That's ok too, they are just as much American as anyone. It actually is the nay-sayers that keep us on our toes, we all have a part. I know not everyone is a person of faith, but this country was founded on Christian principles. Even God allows freedom of choice. You can believe or not believe, yet you reap what you sow. If your interested Romans chapter 1 says a whole lot about human nature. God sent us a Savior to freely pay for our sins. yet so many refuse the most valuable gift of all time, so why should I be amazed that there is skepticism of a vaccine.   

It's your decision whether to take the COVID vaccine or not. What percentage of doctors, nurses or biological scientists do you suppose are choosing NOT to take the vaccine? I would venture the number is extremely low. Are they misinformed? Do you who choose not to take the vaccine feel you have more knowledge than these people? If so, where did you acquire this knowledge? Would you be willing to sign a waiver holding you personally responsible for any costs you incur should you acquire COVID while refusing the vaccine? Obviously, this is a hypothetical question. Call me stupid, but I'll throw in with the medical professionals. They have no more interest in harming themselves than anyone else. I don't think they are making an unwise choice.

Quote from: eggshell on March 23, 2021, 06:01:59 PM
I agree that getting the vaccine is a choice and everyone should follow their own heart. I for one do not believe there are any conspiracies behind either Covid or the vaccine. It may be possible that someone made a terrible mistake that let Covid loose on the world, but I don't believe our government plotted against us. Now some other nations have some history that might suggest such a thing, but not in the USA. I believe in the science and I think the scientist and political leaders are all doing what they feel is best. Some certainly have better ideas than others and some have lost contact with everyday citizens, but they still live and breath USA. We do see some contradictions coming from the experts, but perhaps they are being open about their mistakes and simply learning as we go. I do not believe the FDA would allow mass distribution of a vaccine they didn't feel would help us out of this terrible pandemic, did they make some allowances, probably. I think it's our best fight. Even Democrats and Republicans alike  agree on the vaccine....how often does that happen. We are a great country and the fact we can protest, disagree with the government and refuse a vaccine is what makes us great. Our political leaders are citizens just like us. I think we have the greatest science minds in the world. People often don't trust what they don't understand. Some just don't trust anything and are skeptical of all. That's ok too, they are just as much American as anyone. It actually is the nay-sayers that keep us on our toes, we all have a part. I know not everyone is a person of faith, but this country was founded on Christian principles. Even God allows freedom of choice. You can believe or not believe, yet you reap what you sow. If your interested Romans chapter 1 says a whole lot about human nature. God sent us a Savior to freely pay for our sins. yet so many refuse the most valuable gift of all time, so why should I be amazed that there is skepticism of a vaccine.

Excellent post

Why do so many posts on this forum have to be religious.

Why not?

This is a turkey hunting Forum.

Quote from: g8rvet on March 23, 2021, 05:12:34 PM

Quote from: turkey_slayer on March 23, 2021, 04:44:25 PM

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

Fauchi and Gates are literally on a video from 2017 stating there would be a pandemic in 2020.

Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

Could you provide a link to that video?

I wish I had saved the link, but I actually saw it Larry.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Quote from: eggshell on March 23, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
I heard the vaccine will make you younger, more handsome and a better turkey hunter (because you won't have brain fog ). Do you feel more handsome, smarter and younger Gobblenut? I think I do but my wife says I am full of crap....is that a side affect? Now that's sarcasm font

That's why I'm not getting the vaccine. It wouldn't be fair to you guys if I became a better turkey hunter.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

If I was a doctor, nurse or an EMT or medic, I would get vaccinated. Anyone who sees numerous patients every day should. But I don't, not any more. I'm retired, take the necessary precautions and live out in the country like a hermit. No vaccine for me!!

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 09:48:56 PM
This is a turkey hunting Forum.

And we're talking about COVID......or our we not allowed to discuss that either?

Please inform us of your rules for appropriate discussion you've decided we must all adhere too.

Has anyone looked to see who our President is, and how he got there?  I trust very few in power, especially that short, rat-faced so-called doctor Fauchi.

It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 23, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

What country do you live in? Russia? China? Iran? Afghanistan? Hospitals in America don't pick and choose who they treat. I'd love to see a hospital trying to defend themselves in court for refusing to treat a patient because they haven't had the Covid vaccine.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

AHA!!! Now I know why there is a big push to get vaccinated!! It's a plan to support not only Big Pharma, but also Big Donut!!!! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210324/9155d9aaaf3e28b8b41dce0a6691b665.jpg)

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 23, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

That's not how that works. This forum sure seems like it is slowly being infiltrated by the leftists if  some of the posts in this thread is any indication.Wow....

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 23, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

Yet our hospitals treat thousands of patients that don't have a dime to pay their medical bills, let alone have health insurance.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 23, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

They also treat thousands of illegals but you think they shouldn't treat a legal citizen without a vaccine? Unreal.

Quote from: davisd9 on March 20, 2021, 10:49:55 AM
I am getting my second shot the 30th. I am 35 and in very good overall health. Never had the flu shot and never will. If I get Covid most likely it will be a nothing for me. I did not get the shots for me, I got it for my 75 year old dad in chemotherapy, my 69 year old mother that has high blood pressure and blood clotting disease, my 67 year old father in law, my 65 year old mother in law, my brother in law with CKF, my sister with a clotting disorder, and other people in my life. If it was just about me then I would not get it most likely, but the world is not just about me.

I got my 2nd shot a about 2 weeks ago; we were volunteering for a clinic and it got cancelled after our first shot.

Same as you, my wife's boss is a diabetic, my wife's grandmother is 95 and a cancer survivor.  Both of my parents have had cancer and my mother is still on chemo of some kind.

Our neighbor is a hair stylist and if she gets it her shop will close which impacts all of the other hair stylists who work at the shop.

Did it more for everyone else to make sure they were safe.


Sent from Gobbler's Branch on the go!

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on March 23, 2021, 11:29:43 PM

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 23, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

What country do you live in? Russia? China? Iran? Afghanistan? Hospitals in America don't pick and choose who they treat. I'd love to see a hospital trying to defend themselves in court for refusing to treat a patient because they haven't had the Covid vaccine.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

I knew that would rile y'all up.  The point is the vaccine makes this a preventable disease.  The vaccine is available at no cost, soon to be to anyone.  It just doesn't make sense to me that someone can refuse the prevention of disease, then get said disease, then demand treatment for said disease.  Wouldn't it be easier to not get it in the first place?

Like I said though it's your right so have at it.

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 24, 2021, 07:46:17 AM

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on March 23, 2021, 11:29:43 PM

Quote from: cuttinAR on March 23, 2021, 11:17:53 PM
It's your right not to get the vaccine.  It should also be the hospital's right not to treat you for COVID.  Cuts both ways.  I'd be good with that arrangement.  Good luck to all.

What country do you live in? Russia? China? Iran? Afghanistan? Hospitals in America don't pick and choose who they treat. I'd love to see a hospital trying to defend themselves in court for refusing to treat a patient because they haven't had the Covid vaccine.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

I knew that would rile y'all up.  The point is the vaccine makes this a preventable disease.  The vaccine is available at no cost, soon to be to anyone.  It just doesn't make sense to me that someone can refuse the prevention of disease, then get said disease, then demand treatment for said disease.  Wouldn't it be easier to not get it in the first place?

Like I said though it's your right so have at it.

Considering we are over a year into this and I nor anyone close to me have gotten it, I think I'll take my chances. Kinda like I do with the flu shot, coincidentally I haven't had the flu in 20 years .

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

10 pages long and most say NO side effects sure you just got the shot come back in a year or two from now and let us know how you feel.

Quote from: Ol timer on March 24, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
10 pages long and most say NO side effects sure you just got the shot come back in a year or two from now and let us know how you feel.

You must have seen the movie "I am Legend".  I took the shot because I want to be one of the man-eating zombies that preys on humans rather than one of the humans that didn't take the shot and ends up getting eaten!  That's my entire logic behind getting the shot!   ;D :angel9: :toothy9:

Crispy cream must have stock in big pharma, pushing the vax with free donuts, after everyone gets the vax they will be headed to the doctor after a year of eating their donuts for Diabetes and obesity.

Double threat!

Hey I stood out on my deck this morning and listened to three gobblers making the valley ring....Best vaccine in the world! At least I survived long enough to hear spring gobblers again. All else is bonus.

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on March 24, 2021, 12:21:11 AM
AHA!!! Now I know why there is a big push to get vaccinated!! It's a plan to support not only Big Pharma, but also Big Donut!!!! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210324/9155d9aaaf3e28b8b41dce0a6691b665.jpg)

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Yes sir!! Just what our overweight, hypertensive, type 2 diabetes society needs!  Now, in the interest of complete honesty and disclosure, I happen to think warm KK donuts are one of God`s greatest creations!! I am brutally hard pressed to resist them!

Quote from: GobbleNut on March 23, 2021, 01:44:18 PM

Quote from: eggshell on March 23, 2021, 12:57:44 PM
I heard the vaccine will make you younger, more handsome and a better turkey hunter (because you won't have brain fog ). Do you feel more handsome, smarter and younger Gobblenut? I think I do but my wife says I am full of crap....is that a side affect? Now that's sarcasm font

Maybe it's just that I haven't had the vaccine long enough yet, but my wife has given no indication that it has had any of those positive affects on me.  Now, maybe the brain fog has resulted in me being a better turkey hunter in my mind.  If so, I'll take it.  Maybe it will make me forget a bunch of the times I have been schooled by gobblers.  If that's the case, I hope they hurry up with that second shot!   ;D

Gobblenut, your gonna need an IV if you expect any results.

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

Well the TV ads have begun.  Was watching the news last night and our county health dept. has advertised their shots.  Tuesday and Wednesday, Pfizer and Thursday and Friday, Moderna.  2200 doses.  Register online for times from 9 am to 5 pm.  Most of the Moderna slots have been filled as of this post.  I'm sure we will see a ramp up of these ads, requesting and begging people to get their vaccine.  More supply NOW, then demand.

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on March 24, 2021, 12:21:11 AM
AHA!!! Now I know why there is a big push to get vaccinated!! It's a plan to support not only Big Pharma, but also Big Donut!!!! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210324/9155d9aaaf3e28b8b41dce0a6691b665.jpg)

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Well that makes it a no brainer for me. Where's the line start?  :drool:

Quote from: GobbleNut on March 24, 2021, 08:16:10 AM

Quote from: Ol timer on March 24, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
10 pages long and most say NO side effects sure you just got the shot come back in a year or two from now and let us know how you feel.

You must have seen the movie "I am Legend".  I took the shot because I want to be one of the man-eating zombies that preys on humans rather than one of the humans that didn't take the shot and ends up getting eaten!  That's my entire logic behind getting the shot!   ;D :angel9: :toothy9:

Lol yes I did see that movie I will survive because I now have TSS!!

Quote from: Ol timer on March 24, 2021, 07:59:34 AM
10 pages long and most say NO side effects sure you just got the shot come back in a year or two from now and let us know how you feel.

Exactly! I tore my meniscus a year ago and I know it was because of the hepB or polio vaccines I got as a baby.

Here is a link.  With actual data.  Not trying to convince anyone.  Just actually linking something real.  The real information is at the end. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A

Fauci, who has advised six presidents now on health issues and has more than 30 years of experience in infectious disease, said there's "no doubt in anyone's mind (the Trump administration) will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with."(my emphasis)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/29/fact-check-2017-anthony-fauci-warned-potential-outbreak/5494601002/
So, in reality, what he actually said is that there would be an outbreak of some infectious disease in Trump's presidency, like all his predecessors (Zika, SARS, H1N1, West Nile, etc etc), and what he was really doing is lobbying for more funding.

Quote from: g8rvet on March 24, 2021, 04:35:07 PM
Here is a link.  With actual data.  Not trying to convince anyone.  Just actually linking something real.  The real information is at the end. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3odScka55A

Great video, good explanation.

Since when is it cool to talk about personal medical information with strangers online. I'm not coming to a turkey hunting forum to ask about multivitamins let alone this

Sent from my Pixel 5 using Tapatalk

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210325/48ea8a31013410346f83225107ade307.jpg)

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Many of them are.

Quote from: Vintage on March 25, 2021, 09:12:03 AM
Many of them are.

Did you ask if they was wearing masks?

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Tried to but there dead of covid.

Quote from: Turkeytider on March 24, 2021, 10:47:10 AM

Quote from: RutnNStrutn on March 24, 2021, 12:21:11 AM
AHA!!! Now I know why there is a big push to get vaccinated!! It's a plan to support not only Big Pharma, but also Big Donut!!!! (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210324/9155d9aaaf3e28b8b41dce0a6691b665.jpg)

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Yes sir!! Just what our overweight, hypertensive, type 2 diabetes society needs!  Now, in the interest of complete honesty and disclosure, I happen to think warm KK donuts are one of God`s greatest creations!! I am brutally hard pressed to resist them!

If they would do that at LaMars donuts I would agree. Even go get the shot for you.

WOW  didn't know about the donut deal I'm in!     Already had both moderna sore arm that was it we'll see on long term.   With my  last September quadruple bypass and 1200 ml fluid on left lung afterwards that had to be drawn off not very strong lungs anyways figured better get vaccinated to reduce complications if I happen to catch it.   Wife and 4 grown kids are not planning to get it right now.    Been dealing with cardiac rehab since surgery and staff at local hospital did not all take shot so not mandatory there at least for now.   

 "I do not believe the FDA would allow mass distribution of a vaccine they didn't feel would help us out of this terrible pandemic, did they make some allowances, probably."

Say what you will my wife got the shot, she is a nurse, I am a medic and did not. She was given this "fact sheet" after receiving the shot.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210326/04370f5ca59a28475f0f0bc4d28bce81.jpg)

Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk

Did you highlight that it is not FDA approved?  I would think a medic and nurse would have experience with that.  it does not mean it was not investigated and deemed safe.  It means the investigation did not follow standard FDA protocol and therefore did not have full FDA approval.  I have used and prescribed many meds like this that had tentative approval, conditional approval and emergency approval over the years.  It is not that uncommon.  I am unaware of any of those drugs not eventually getting full approval.  Which also does not mean they are totally safe and without risk of side effects or idiosyncratic reactions.  Nothing is 100% safe.   

 g8rvet, Most of the drugs I used in my career were extra label or I had INADS for some. We still used them under emergency use but you  are right they did not have full approval
Yet they were considered safe and effective, because of data accumulated through other testing. MOst people have never been involved with drug approval and thus
don't understand the process, many drug are actually used before final approval. Once there is enough data to indicate they are safe and effective they can be used
under emergency use clauses. This is nothing new, I done it 30 years ago.

I didn't, it was highlighted when they gave it to her. I was told that the CDC felt the potential benefit outweighed the potential risks. I will wait awhile. If the say I can't fly anywhere else, I am good with that. I am 30 minutes away from Osceolas, 1 hour away from Easterns, 2 hours away from deer hunting in Georgia and within 3 and1/2 hours from a half dozen theme parks, no need to travel, all the crazy I can stand right here.

Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk

10-4.  I figured y'all knew that with your experience.  Have a safe and fun season.  Tomorrow is the 2 week mark since my second dose.  Not gonna go crazy but will relax a little more. 


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I work at a Fire Department and my wife works at a hospital. We have both had both doses. No problems here. Not worried about it either, just trying to help prevent me giving to my mom and dad. Don't think they would handle it to well with all of their preexisting conditions.

Quote from: silvestris on March 23, 2021, 11:07:47 PM
Has anyone looked to see who our President is, and how he got there?  I trust very few in power, especially that short, rat-faced so-called doctor Fauchi.

X2.

Quote from: GobbleNut on March 23, 2021, 08:14:51 AM
FYI: Got the first shot with the wife yesterday.  No ill affects other than a slightly sore arm at the site of the shot.  Process was painless and well-organized.  Took a total of about thirty minutes from start to finish, including waiting there after the shot for 15 minutes to see if there was a reaction. 
:icon_thumright:

...And, oh yeah,...we were given a card showing we had the shot and were told to keep it handy so that we could prove we had been vaccinated because at some point in time, there were probably going to be circumstances where we would have to prove we were vaccinated to do certain things in the future such as taking a commercial air flight.  Proof of vaccination may well become as important as having your drivers license, proof of insurance in your vehicle, passport, etc.   :icon_thumright:

But NO voter I.D.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

So getting the vaccine insures you will....
Not get Rona
Not transmit Rona
No need to wear a mask
And can maybe celibate Independence Day if Biden allows you.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

The only new thing today is that part of history you do not know.....History repeats itself, it has all happened before, be wise and question everything.

I'm taking my chances with the vaccine.  I have a few friends who have been suffering from Covid long haul symptoms for months now, and they're miserable.  Some are young and were in good shape, too.

I'm not sure I get all the reluctance to take this vaccine. Full disclosure, I voted for Trump based on his policies, not on his personality. This vaccine was developed while Trump was the President. Yet, 47% of Republicans say they aren't gonna take it compared to 17% of Dems. Trump and his wife both took the vaccine even after having had COVID. It's certainly your right to refuse as long as your employer doesn't require it. I don't think Trump and his wife are sheep. At this point, I don't care. Good luck to all.

Quote from: fallhnt on March 27, 2021, 07:39:10 AM

Quote from: GobbleNut on March 23, 2021, 08:14:51 AM
FYI: Got the first shot with the wife yesterday.  No ill affects other than a slightly sore arm at the site of the shot.  Process was painless and well-organized.  Took a total of about thirty minutes from start to finish, including waiting there after the shot for 15 minutes to see if there was a reaction. 
:icon_thumright:

...And, oh yeah,...we were given a card showing we had the shot and were told to keep it handy so that we could prove we had been vaccinated because at some point in time, there were probably going to be circumstances where we would have to prove we were vaccinated to do certain things in the future such as taking a commercial air flight.  Proof of vaccination may well become as important as having your drivers license, proof of insurance in your vehicle, passport, etc.   :icon_thumright:

But NO voter I.D.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

And this doesn't concern you?????!!??


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Hopefully everyone has a safe and fun season. Medical director has the final say for us whether we will be required to get it. May have to get one every year from now on like the flu shot. Time will tell I guess.

Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk

Quote from: fallhnt on March 27, 2021, 07:43:17 AM

Quote from: Vintage on March 23, 2021, 08:57:34 AM
If your not getting the Vaccine and give covid to your parents or a older person who dies you will be sorry. Millions have got the shot with no ill effect's. The medical personel in my area were not forced to take the shot.

So getting the vaccine insures you will....
Not get Rona
Not transmit Rona
No need to wear a mask
And can maybe celibate Independence Day if Biden allows you.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Where does it say any of that? After you get the shot.

This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Amen.
You nailed it

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

X2

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.

It also seems to have plenty that label people as "leftists" or "sheep" if they choose to get the shot or espouse getting the shot.  I believe in agree to disagree and leave it at that. 


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Don't agree at all.  In fact, it is actually an idiotic statement.  You are saying that all people that make an intelligent well formed decision to get the vaccine are sheep. 

I can't recall a single person on here that said they chose to get the vaccine suggest anything about black lists, limitations or restrictions. Maybe a couple did.  Most everyone on here said "make up your own mind". 

I am certainly not a leftist, I believe in individual right's over the federal government and as for being a sheep, that is just dumb.  You are assuming that most folks are getting the vaccines because they were "ordered" to.  I did not see that anywhere for me. Some people are just obstinate because it is their nature.  Whatever.  Get it.  Don't get it.  I don't care.  NO ONE HAS BEEN ORDERED TO GET A VACCINE IN MY STATE, so it has nothing to do with "submitting to authority".  Sheesh.  I made a decision based on medical facts.  Mind your own business.  That seems to be your recommendation.

The only point we agree on is no one should be forced to get it or punished if they don't. It is still a free country.  For now.  Vote!   

Quote from: g8rvet on March 28, 2021, 07:36:21 PM

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Don't agree at all.  In fact, it is actually an idiotic statement.  You are saying that all people that make an intelligent well formed decision to get the vaccine are sheep. 

I can't recall a single person on here that said they chose to get the vaccine suggest anything about black lists, limitations or restrictions. Maybe a couple did.  Most everyone on here said "make up your own mind". 

I am certainly not a leftist, I believe in individual right's over the federal government and as for being a sheep, that is just dumb.  You are assuming that most folks are getting the vaccines because they were "ordered" to.  I did not see that anywhere for me. Some people are just obstinate because it is their nature.  Whatever.  Get it.  Don't get it.  I don't care.  NO ONE HAS BEEN ORDERED TO GET A VACCINE IN MY STATE, so it has nothing to do with "submitting to authority".  Sheesh.  I made a decision based on medical facts.  Mind your own business.  That seems to be your recommendation.

The only point we agree on is no one should be forced to get it or punished if they don't. It is still a free country.  For now.  Vote!

Thank you

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Bullshit. 1) Who cares what this forum is made of other than like minded turkey enthusiasts? There are other forums you can join where everyone thinks as narrowly as you do. You wouldn't get to be so condescending though. Sheep? Brain dead drones? Do allow your tiny mind to realize the people deciding to live their lives how THEY want to, have made an informed and intellectual decision and should not be subject to your ideological script that you've been duped into believing. I'll call it "sheep of a different color" so you'll better understand. 2) You have every right to refuse a vaccine. More for the people who want one. That decision may result in restrictions for you. There is a pesky global pandemic that has been very difficult to contain n part because this mentality. We could be far past this instead of facing yet another round. Maybe a civil liberty infringement is putting other people, that you've name called and labeled, at risk for destructive illness. 3) The survival rate you quoted is greatly misused. While I'm very happy that you've not experienced the devastating effects of this virus, there are many who have. I see strokes, heart attacks, breathing difficulties, and neurological deficits precipitated by the virus. Sure they "survived". But they can't walk, talk, think, or sense like they could before. These things are happening long after they had this virus. Many of those people can no longer do the things they loved. In fact, they are struggling to complete basic life tasks. Hospital bills. Hell, they are astronomical. Some "survivors" have crippling hospital debts.
Do not imply that going against the rhetoric that you've adopted is cowardly. There are legions of people who feel differently, what are assuredly not cowards. Maybe more intelligent as well. I am a health care worker. I am exhausted from this virus in a way that many will never know. I am disgusted with the politicization of this unfortunate occurrence. I have seen the worst of this virus and horrendous complications in has caused. Destroyed lives and families, some who didn't take precautions because they felt like it was oppressive.  Big, brave, free men, like yourself who died alone or can no longer call people names on the internet because they can no longer type on a keyboard. Think that the bravest people may be those getting a vaccine to make this virus go away.
Best of luck to everyone out there including you. I hope everyone comes out intact when this is over. Here is some easy reading that may be helpful for you.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210329/042e12fe4a3b4b1e759780d9f0be13bf.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Quote from: hush on March 28, 2021, 08:11:02 PM

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Bullshit. 1) Who cares what this forum is made of other than like minded turkey enthusiasts? There are other forums you can join where everyone thinks as narrowly as you do. You wouldn't get to be so condescending though. Sheep? Brain dead drones? Do allow your tiny mind to realize the people deciding to lives their lives how THEY want to, have made an informed and intellectual decision and should not be subject to your ideological script that you've been duped into believing. I'll call it "sheep of a different color" so you'll better understand. 2) You have every right to refuse a vaccine. More for the people who want one. That decision may result in restrictions for you. There is a pesky global pandemic that has been very difficult to contain n part because this mentality. We could be far past this instead of facing yet another round. Maybe a civil liberty infringement is putting other people, that you've name called and labeled, at risk for destructive illness. 3) The survival rate you quoted is greatly misused. While I'm very happy that you've not experienced the devastating effects of this virus, there are many who have. I see strokes, heart attacks, breathing difficulties, and neurological deficits precipitated by the virus. Sure they "survived". But they can't walk, talk, think, or sense like they could before. These things are happening long after they had this virus. Many of those people can no longer do the things they loved. In fact, they are struggling to complete basic life tasks. Hospital bills. Hell, they are astronomical. Some "survivors" have crippling hospital debts.
Do not imply that going against the rhetoric that you've adopted is cowardly. There are legions of people who feel differently, what are assuredly not cowards. Maybe more intelligent as well. I am a health care worker. I am exhausted from this virus in a way that many will never know. I am disgusted with the politicization of this unfortunate occurrence. I have seen the worst of this virus and horrendous complications in has caused. Destroyed lives and families, some who didn't take precautions because they felt like it was oppressive.  Big, brave, free men, like yourself who died alone or can no longer call people names on the internet because they can no longer type on a keyboard. Think that the bravest people may be those getting a vaccine to make this virus go away.
Best of luck to everyone out there including you. I hope everyone comes out intact when this is over. Here is some easy reading that may be helpful for you.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210329/042e12fe4a3b4b1e759780d9f0be13bf.jpg)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Thank you for being on the frontlines.  Your services are appreciated by normal folk.

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.....

:TooFunny: :TooFunny: :TooFunny:

Thank you g8rvet, gumby, hush and others for defending our honor. Especially to all the health care workers who put themselves at risk.

It amazes me that we see people openly refusing the vaccine and speaking up that it's all political, when in fact they are making it political. They say they don't trust the drug companies, politicians, Dr. Fauci and others. Those are personal feelings and just a form of politics. I wonder do these same people never go to a doctor or hospital. If they have a heart attack or bad accidental injury, do the refuse treatment. Do they take any form of medicine, even aspirin. All these things went through the same approval system and are administered by the same people. If you trust medicines and doctors for everything else why not this. Mostly they just want to be rebels and obstinate (as g8rvet said). If this had never been on tv and made a political discussion by the media and you went to your doctor or pharmacist and they said, there is a new vaccine for this corona virus flue, do you want it", many of them would in fact take it.

As has been already said, "look at the information, get informed and make a free decision". It's still a choice and it's still a free United States. I'm tired of this bitter a$s protest everything cancel everything culture. I'm ready to go turkey hunting a kill something.

Signing off BAAAHHHH BAAHHHAAA BAAAHHAA , that's a right bleat in case anyone has trouble comprehending   

Getting the vaccine is just merely a cautious move against the effects of Covid. I equate it in the same category as spraying my hunting clothes with permethrin at the beginning of the season. I have never had Lyme disease and have never been bitten by a tick but the possibility does exist. Same goes for Covid, the vaccination was a caution against the effects of the disease. In January I visited my Oncologist and she strongly suggested I get the vaccine as soon as I could.  A few weeks later I visited my regular doctor and she explained the vaccine and that it does not prevent the disease but lessens the effects. My biggest fear is getting the disease and ending in the hospital, my last hospital visit was 10 tears ago and it was for knee surgery with a duration of 72 hours and the bill was horrendous, What would a 10 day stay on a ventilator cost?

Lastly, keep hearing about infringement of rights. There are numerous laws that infringe on rights for public safety, for instance, you can not drive your car down the freeway at 100 MPH even if you are in a hurry. Well I guess you can but may not like the consequence.   

Quote from: NCL on March 29, 2021, 01:08:34 PM
Getting the vaccine is just merely a cautious move against the effects of Covid. I equate it in the same category as spraying my hunting clothes with permethrin at the beginning of the season. I have never had Lyme disease and have never been bitten by a tick but the possibility does exist. Same goes for Covid, the vaccination was a caution against the effects of the disease. In January I visited my Oncologist and she strongly suggested I get the vaccine as soon as I could.  A few weeks later I visited my regular doctor and she explained the vaccine and that it does not prevent the disease but lessens the effects. My biggest fear is getting the disease and ending in the hospital, my last hospital visit was 10 tears ago and it was for knee surgery with a duration of 72 hours and the bill was horrendous, What would a 10 day stay on a ventilator cost?

Lastly, keep hearing about infringement of rights. There are numerous laws that infringe on rights for public safety, for instance, you can not drive your car down the freeway at 100 MPH even if you are in a hurry. Well I guess you can but may not like the consequence.

Driving is not a right!!!!!

Quote from: NCL on March 29, 2021, 01:08:34 PM
have never been bitten by a tick but the possibility does exist.

Come hunting with me!  I can end that streak in a day or two.  Have already pulled off a half dozen!  (North Florida).   They have been the worst I can recall since the hurricane. I think all the low brush has increased due to losing so much of the canopy in the woods.

Quote from: g8rvet on March 24, 2021, 04:45:07 PM
Fauci, who has advised six presidents now on health issues and has more than 30 years of experience in infectious disease, said there's "no doubt in anyone's mind (the Trump administration) will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with."(my emphasis)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/29/fact-check-2017-anthony-fauci-warned-potential-outbreak/5494601002/
So, in reality, what he actually said is that there would be an outbreak of some infectious disease in Trump's presidency, like all his predecessors (Zika, SARS, H1N1, West Nile, etc etc), and what he was really doing is lobbying for more funding.

Oh that guy. Who said no mask for months early last year and predicted up to 60k deaths. He kinda missed that one.
Now back in the spotlight and circlebacking all over the news.

Quote from: owlhoot on March 29, 2021, 07:23:01 PM

Quote from: g8rvet on March 24, 2021, 04:45:07 PM
Fauci, who has advised six presidents now on health issues and has more than 30 years of experience in infectious disease, said there's "no doubt in anyone's mind (the Trump administration) will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with."(my emphasis)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/29/fact-check-2017-anthony-fauci-warned-potential-outbreak/5494601002/
So, in reality, what he actually said is that there would be an outbreak of some infectious disease in Trump's presidency, like all his predecessors (Zika, SARS, H1N1, West Nile, etc etc), and what he was really doing is lobbying for more funding.

Oh that guy. Who said no mask for months early last year and predicted up to 60k deaths. He kinda missed that one.
Now back in the spotlight and circlebacking all over the news.

Agree. He is a political opportunist and has delusions of grandeur.  I was not espousing him as an expert, I was refuting the claim that he and Gates were on a video that predicted the corona outbreak. I think it is like Bigfoot, lots of people claim they saw it, but no one can show me any evidence of it. When I read that article, I was thinking he is like 90% of bureaucrats, just wants more money in his budget. 

I have my shots and would like to thank all the health care workers for what they do.

Quote from: g8rvet on March 29, 2021, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: owlhoot on March 29, 2021, 07:23:01 PM

Quote from: g8rvet on March 24, 2021, 04:45:07 PM
Fauci, who has advised six presidents now on health issues and has more than 30 years of experience in infectious disease, said there's "no doubt in anyone's mind (the Trump administration) will be faced with the challenges that their predecessors were faced with."(my emphasis)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/29/fact-check-2017-anthony-fauci-warned-potential-outbreak/5494601002/
So, in reality, what he actually said is that there would be an outbreak of some infectious disease in Trump's presidency, like all his predecessors (Zika, SARS, H1N1, West Nile, etc etc), and what he was really doing is lobbying for more funding.

Oh that guy. Who said no mask for months early last year and predicted up to 60k deaths. He kinda missed that one.
Now back in the spotlight and circlebacking all over the news.

Agree. He is a political opportunist and has delusions of grandeur.  I was not espousing him as an expert, I was refuting the claim that he and Gates were on a video that predicted the corona outbreak. I think it is like Bigfoot, lots of people claim they saw it, but no one can show me any evidence of it. When I read that article, I was thinking he is like 90% of bureaucrats, just wants more money in his budget.

Well I think I saw it too . Very early on when this crap all got started. Since then ? Maybe bigfoots have the copy.
Like most things during this.  Who knows. Get the shot and how long it lasts? You can or can't do this after the shot. Today may be different than tomorrow. A lot of this back and forth on what you will be able to do. Travel restrictions? Job restrictions. I wonder what will happen because you already have papers to sign that ask if you already had covid or been around covid people before going in.  I have done it many times. Wonder what happens when you check yes? Or refuse that temperature check or refuse to wear a mask? I believe there will be restrictions . And also when the Big Pill will be available? All I know for now is that my arm hurts. And that insurance and medical bills suck. Wait and see if the insurance companies don't raise your rates, if you don't get the shot.
I believe that DR. Seuss book was banned? 

Okay, now the copy is missing?  From the internet.  Must be with the 9/11 evidence of a government conspiracy. 

If you have been exposed to someone with COVID you should not be allowed in to a hospital and should be quarantined.  What those of us with health care and biology knowledge have said all along is that this should not be about anyone's "rights".  It is about biology.  If you are a disease vector, you should be isolated until safe.  What do you do with a a dog with rabies, a cow with brucellosis, a horse with Swamp fever, etc etc.  Sadly, if the entire world would have quarantined for 21 days, the entire world, this would have stopped as soon as it was recognized.  It would have put the world back 3 weeks.  Saved billions of dollars, changed political elections, etc.  We should all let that sink in.  But people are selfish and "have rights" and don't trust anyone to tell them what is good for them because "by God, no one can tell me what to do".  All the preppers should have gone to bunker! 

You may be right about travel restrictions.  One benefit is I may be able to go to Canada this fall - I missed 2 out of the last 3 years of my annual 11 day duck hunt.  Hurricane Michael three years ago and Covid this past year.  I NEED to go to kill ducks and see my friends. One of them passed away during all this (not Covid - the real C - Cancer).

Sorry, I am rambling.  It is pouring here and I am waiting to do something important that I have some control over - turkey hunt! 

Quote from: BigSlam51 on March 28, 2021, 10:00:28 AM

Quote from: snoodcrusher on March 28, 2021, 09:41:30 AM
This forum is overflowing with leftists, authoritarians, and sheep willing to submit to authority.  It's nice to see that some are pointing this out and confronting these brain dead drones.  As for the COVID vaccine and those who receive it, that's their right.  Those who do not want the vaccine should have the right to reject it.  Simple as that.  No black lists, restrictions, or limitations for either group.  To suggest anything to the contrary is a civil liberty infringement.  Those who do not recognize it as such are dangerous, far more dangerous than a disease with a 99% survival rate. 

"The obedient always think of themselves as virtuous rather than cowardly."

"Of all tyrannies, the tyranny exercised for the "good" of its victims may be the most oppressive."


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

X2

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

X3 !

Quote from: g8rvet on March 30, 2021, 05:48:45 AM
Okay, now the copy is missing?  From the internet.  Must be with the 9/11 evidence of a government conspiracy. 

If you have been exposed to someone with COVID you should not be allowed in to a hospital and should be quarantined.  What those of us with health care and biology knowledge have said all along is that this should not be about anyone's "rights".  It is about biology.  If you are a disease vector, you should be isolated until safe.  What do you do with a a dog with rabies, a cow with brucellosis, a horse with Swamp fever, etc etc.  Sadly, if the entire world would have quarantined for 21 days, the entire world, this would have stopped as soon as it was recognized.  It would have put the world back 3 weeks.  Saved billions of dollars, changed political elections, etc.  We should all let that sink in.  But people are selfish and "have rights" and don't trust anyone to tell them what is good for them because "by God, no one can tell me what to do".  All the preppers should have gone to bunker! 

You may be right about travel restrictions.  One benefit is I may be able to go to Canada this fall - I missed 2 out of the last 3 years of my annual 11 day duck hunt.  Hurricane Michael three years ago and Covid this past year.  I NEED to go to kill ducks and see my friends. One of them passed away during all this (not Covid - the real C - Cancer).

Sorry, I am rambling.  It is pouring here and I am waiting to do something important that I have some control over - turkey hunt!

What did you do with the copy????

Why cases are increasing.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/coronavirus-why-cases-rising-again-193814611.html

Quote from: owlhoot on March 30, 2021, 03:32:01 PM

Quote from: g8rvet on March 30, 2021, 05:48:45 AM
Okay, now the copy is missing?  From the internet.  Must be with the 9/11 evidence of a government conspiracy. 

If you have been exposed to someone with COVID you should not be allowed in to a hospital and should be quarantined.  What those of us with health care and biology knowledge have said all along is that this should not be about anyone's "rights".  It is about biology.  If you are a disease vector, you should be isolated until safe.  What do you do with a a dog with rabies, a cow with brucellosis, a horse with Swamp fever, etc etc.  Sadly, if the entire world would have quarantined for 21 days, the entire world, this would have stopped as soon as it was recognized.  It would have put the world back 3 weeks.  Saved billions of dollars, changed political elections, etc.  We should all let that sink in.  But people are selfish and "have rights" and don't trust anyone to tell them what is good for them because "by God, no one can tell me what to do".  All the preppers should have gone to bunker! 

You may be right about travel restrictions.  One benefit is I may be able to go to Canada this fall - I missed 2 out of the last 3 years of my annual 11 day duck hunt.  Hurricane Michael three years ago and Covid this past year.  I NEED to go to kill ducks and see my friends. One of them passed away during all this (not Covid - the real C - Cancer).

Sorry, I am rambling.  It is pouring here and I am waiting to do something important that I have some control over - turkey hunt!

What did you do with the copy????

LOL   I had it filed away in the same warehouse that they put the Ark from Indiana Jones!

I guess we'll know the vaccine is working when the survival rate goes from 99.7 to 99.8%... ?

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 30, 2021, 08:22:24 PM
I guess we'll know the vaccine is working when the survival rate goes from 99.7 to 99.8%... ?

Or maybe when it goes from 99.7 to 30%....?

Quote from: Jmbradt3873 on March 27, 2021, 10:29:45 PM
Hopefully everyone has a safe and fun season. Medical director has the final say for us whether we will be required to get it. May have to get one every year from now on like the flu shot. Time will tell I guess.

Sent from my LM-G820 using Tapatalk

Medical director? ???
My a$$!!!!! No government bureaucrat is going to mandate that I submit to this crap with an illness that has over a 95% survival rate!!

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

I see a lot of people using the survival rate from Covid 19 as justification to not get vaccinated. Just surviving can be a wide range of conditions. My niece had covid and she has long term effects like fatigue, breathing problems, her hair falling out and other problems. Many with  long term affects (long  haulers) have heart and breathing problems, severe mental fog among other disabling side effects. Surviving is a gamble in itself. I know a guy who survived a horrible car wreck, but he had brain damage and has been crippled his whole life. I know veterans who survived various war injuries, but their lives have still been miserable. So you might want to consider, is just surviving a strong enough reason to refuse vaccination. I imagine someone will bring up side affects from the vaccine, we don't know that yet, but from past history vaccines haven't been proven to have disabling side effects. I still put my money and life on the vaccine and have. I have received both shots now. You might survive just fine, but you might not. None of us would go crash our car into a tree because we believe the wreck is survivable, so I don't understand the survivable argument.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned previous health issues derived after getting vaccinated from other vaccines. Is it because most think that the scientists and medical community finally got all the kinks worked out regarding vaccines and can kick out successful vaccines in less than a year with little testing?

I prayed to God for Covid to be taken care of through a divine miracle or through him giving knowledge to those in medical science.  When I was first offered the vaccine as an essential worker I was quite hesitate, but as I prayed and meditated on the situation it dawned on me that maybe this is what I prayed for and now I am hesitate to accept it.  After deciding to take it I was given peace over the situation.  Maybe you have a different perspective on it but this was some of my thought process when deciding to go ahead and receive the vaccine.  Sometimes we ask for something but are too blind to accept it when it is given to us.

Quote from: RiverBuck on March 31, 2021, 07:49:44 AM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned previous health issues derived after getting vaccinated from other vaccines. Is it because most think that the scientists and medical community finally got all the kinks worked out regarding vaccines and can kick out successful vaccines in less than a year with little testing?

What would/should be an acceptable level of testing before release of a vaccine? What criteria (scientific ) did you use to arrive at the decision that testing has been inadequate?  How do you arrive at that decision? How much time do you want to give a virus to circulate unimpeded by any biologically based intervention ( AKA vaccine )?  How would that be impacted by the virulence of the virus in question? I`d wager we wouldn`t have all this disagreement and back and forth if this were an Ebola or a Marburg. 

Do you have any verified scientific papers on health issues related to vaccines, not theory verified published fact. There are a few out there, but in relationship to the number of vaccines, very few. In relationship the effects of disease would be far worse. where would we be without polio and small pox vaccines? Or even measles 

This is a very good video. This guy actually is in the know. Beware of those who speak as experts stating I'm in the field of health care, that doesn't mean they know about vaccine more then anyone else. This guy I trust. Others on fourms with there Google education, heck no don't believe a word they say.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/InH89amCpy7S/

Quote from: Goblen on March 31, 2021, 12:20:34 PM
This is a very good video. This guy actually is in the know. Beware of those who speak as experts stating I'm in the field of health care, that doesn't mean they know about vaccine more then anyone else. This guy I trust. Others on fourms with there Google education, heck no don't believe a word they say.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/InH89amCpy7S/

St. Luke's chief medical officer fact checks a doctor's anti-vax claims (https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/208/ceo-st-lukes-fact-checks-doctors-anti-vax-claims-idaho-statehouse/277-28e346f7-dd40-4dfc-9cbe-d8edbf576c34)
"Cole also told lawmakers that ivermectin, a medication used in horses to treat parasites, killed the coronavirus in 99.9% of petri dish studies. Souza said while this statement is true, it would have to be given to humans in a dose 100 times the size used in studies, which would be unsafe for humans."

"When you actually go to the studies, the truth is, it's a mixed bag so we should talk about the entire bag and not just the positive sides of the bag," Souza said. "I understand the desire to reach for solutions that are easy, but I find it interesting that people might be more interested in putting an animal, anti-parasite, chemical medication into their body to prevent something that we already know we can prevent non invasively by wearing a mask and spacing out."

Quote from: eggshell on March 31, 2021, 07:13:22 AM
I see a lot of people using the survival rate from Covid 19 as justification to not get vaccinated. Just surviving can be a wide range of conditions. My niece had covid and she has long term effects like fatigue, breathing problems, her hair falling out and other problems. Many with  long term affects (long  haulers) have heart and breathing problems, severe mental fog among other disabling side effects. Surviving is a gamble in itself. I know a guy who survived a horrible car wreck, but he had brain damage and has been crippled his whole life. I know veterans who survived various war injuries, but their lives have still been miserable. So you might want to consider, is just surviving a strong enough reason to refuse vaccination. I imagine someone will bring up side affects from the vaccine, we don't know that yet, but from past history vaccines haven't been proven to have disabling side effects. I still put my money and life on the vaccine and have. I have received both shots now. You might survive just fine, but you might not. None of us would go crash our car into a tree because we believe the wreck is survivable, so I don't understand the survivable argument.

Different people react differently to the vaccine and the illness. My brother and his wife both got it, and got over it with no issues. No worse than a common cold. And my brother is older than me, is obese and has underlying medical conditions.
I'm not getting it for multiple reasons, that being only one of them.

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

Quote from: Goblen on March 31, 2021, 12:20:34 PM
This is a very good video. This guy actually is in the know. Beware of those who speak as experts stating I'm in the field of health care, that doesn't mean they know about vaccine more then anyone else. This guy I trust. Others on fourms with there Google education, heck no don't believe a word they say.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/InH89amCpy7S/

Seriously dude?!    You trust a guy who's site is associated with things like "demons materializing in an epic war against humanity"?  I really don't want to jump into this little pissin' match at all,...but c'mon man, let's at least try to keep it within a semblance of reality in this discussion!  Geez!!   :help: :-\

This doctor is very mainstream and directly involved with vaccine development, another perspective to consider.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZxiNxYLpc

No pissing match here. It's cool. That's America. We can all choose our destiny. I will not be taking any rushed through vaccine. The government and pharmaceutical are together in the creation of these. They where needing and answer to our country's covid crisis. Pressure on them. Bottom line is this take steps to keep your immune system healthy and if you get sick choose your best option. For me and the hospital in Houston and the many others around the world I'll take the ivermectin which has been taken by humans for a long time with no side effects compared to the alternatives. Its not just Cole. Many more out the that are saying the same.

I simply think that trying to convince anyone of anything to the point of argument is futile.  You do you and let me do me. 

okay, so let me get this straight so I understand.   

DO NOT trust pharmaceutical companies and vaccine manufacturers because they rushed this vaccine through in a year (which I do think is a perfectly valid thought process and one that many folks are saying they would rather wait until more doses are in people and any long term side effects are seen- I can respect that).

But DO trust the small handful of Doctors pushing ivermectin (made by pharmaceutical companies) that has not had a single study prove it does anything in Covid patients. 

Ivermectin is not an "animal" drug.  Yes it is used in animals.  So is Dexamethasone - a hallmark of COVID treatment.  So are many hundreds of other drugs.  It is a antiparasitic approved for use in humans and has been for a very long time.  It does show in vitro changes to covid's replication.  At levels that would be toxic, if not fatal to humans.  There may be benefits, but currently, no repeatable study has shown any improved survivability.  One study I found said it reduced viral loads, but the study was small and more testing is needed.  You know.  Like the vaccine's clinical trials.  And I am not pushing the vaccine by any means.  People should make their own decision, but for every opinion out there by someone with excellent credentials, you can find one that says the exact opposite, with similar credentials.   

Quote from: Goblen on March 31, 2021, 12:20:34 PM
This is a very good video. This guy actually is in the know. Beware of those who speak as experts stating I'm in the field of health care, that doesn't mean they know about vaccine more then anyone else. This guy I trust. Others on fourms with there Google education, heck no don't believe a word they say.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/InH89amCpy7S/

Don't trust the doctors and healthcare professionals on here who have given honest advice and opinions with their "google" education. But, trust this guy here at this link......that I found on Google.

Quote from: Meleagris gallopavo on March 31, 2021, 07:11:46 PM
I simply think that trying to convince anyone of anything to the point of argument is futile.  You do you and let me do me.

You are correct, but I think we are more in a debate than argument. Everyone has made their call at this stage of the game and we all feel strongly about why we decided, either way. For those who took or will take the vaccine we see it as a way back to normal and good for everyone. So we do our best to promote taking the vaccine in the hopes of changing just one or two minds. At this point everyone is dug in on their position and further discussion is most likely futile on both sides. It's human nature to want to be right and we have a natural tendency to  defend our position and the more that agree with us validates our choice as the right one. I know I fall into this trap and I hope I have not offended anyone or belittled them, that was never any part of my intentions. I will do my best to just let it  go and not comment further, but I will have to battle my own nature to succeed.

My final wish is we all are physically well enough to do a lot of turkey hunting this spring.

It's a vaccine....only good for 6-8 months.
It lessons symptoms.....doesn't prevent them.
If vaxed.....you can still get Rona.
If vaxed and you get Rona......will symptoms be mild or wild?
It was still tested.....big pharma didn't have to jump through hoops at the end of each stage to get funding.
With the above points....I dont see value in vax..... 6-8 months,lessons symptoms, can still get Rona with what level of symptoms?
Where was all of this with SARS and H1N1 outbreak pandemics for example?
I don't watch TV so what Google "expert" are you to believe?
I don't Google,so Duck Duck Go expert.....

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Just saying..... (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210402/3bf1514696939f4eb24253ba8b0a713f.jpg)

Sent from deep in the woods where the critters roam.

I'm trying not to die.

Quote from: fallhnt on April 01, 2021, 07:11:08 AM
It's a vaccine....only good for 6-8 months.
It lessons symptoms.....doesn't prevent them.
If vaxed.....you can still get Rona.
If vaxed and you get Rona......will symptoms be mild or wild?
It was still tested.....big pharma didn't have to jump through hoops at the end of each stage to get funding.
With the above points....I dont see value in vax..... 6-8 months,lessons symptoms, can still get Rona with what level of symptoms?
Where was all of this with SARS and H1N1 outbreak pandemics for example?
I don't watch TV so what Google "expert" are you to believe?
I don't Google,so Duck Duck Go expert.....

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

If you don't want take the vaccine then don't. But why the need to make it seem like it's a smart
decision?

Quote from: Crghss on April 02, 2021, 07:29:17 PM

Quote from: fallhnt on April 01, 2021, 07:11:08 AM
It's a vaccine....only good for 6-8 months.
It lessons symptoms.....doesn't prevent them.
If vaxed.....you can still get Rona.
If vaxed and you get Rona......will symptoms be mild or wild?
It was still tested.....big pharma didn't have to jump through hoops at the end of each stage to get funding.
With the above points....I dont see value in vax..... 6-8 months,lessons symptoms, can still get Rona with what level of symptoms?
Where was all of this with SARS and H1N1 outbreak pandemics for example?
I don't watch TV so what Google "expert" are you to believe?
I don't Google,so Duck Duck Go expert.....

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

If you don't want take the vaccine then don't. But why the need to make it seem like it's a smart
decision?

You're like the fake news. Lots of noise but no questions answered.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

What is there to answer?

No one knows how how long the vaccine will last.
In 95% of people moderna & Pfizer PREVENTS COVID
In the 5% that may contract virus no hospitalization, mild symptoms
Pfizer did not get funding to develop vaccine
Even if it where true vaccine only lasted 6-8 months(which we don't know) then that is plenty long enough IF everyone got vaccinated. That would stop the spread and that would stop the virus.
What does "SARS and H1N1" have do with anything? Just like small pox, measles, AIDS and polio?

I got the 1st first shot, 2nd in two weeks. I'm getting vaccinated to stop the spread. I don't want to make others sick. I don't want to endanger others, their families and friends.

Its everyone's choice to get vaccine or not. But something I learned a long time ago some people can not see past themselves.

I just got the second round of Moderna. I felt pretty bad the next day. My wife and I both had flu like symptoms but the second day after I'm back to normal.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

At this stage of the game, I doubt those that are inclined to take the vaccine will opt out and I doubt those that don't want the vaccine will opt in. What would be the consequences if no one took the vaccine vs if everyone did? Again, what percentage of retired, relatively young, healthy healthcare workers do you think have decided to forego the vaccine. If these folks are healthy and no longer treating patients then it would only seem logical for them to opt out also if COVID is no big deal with the healthy. I fall into that category and I was glad to take the vaccine to not only protect me, but others.

Do what you want re: the vaccine, but please don't think your internet search to validate your decision to opt out is a reasonable one. It would be like me reading a few online articles on bridge building and then arguing with a civil engineer on that topic.

Me & my wife both got the J&J vaccine last Wednesday morning. Arm was a little sore a couple days & I did take a nap that afternoon after the shot. Other than that we both seem fine. Seemed like the best decision since she has diabetes & I had a stroke last turkey season & also have RA. Good luck & God bless you all whether you elect to take it or not.

Second shot of Phizer, Arm slightly sore and felt light headed and a bit drowsey for about 4-5 hours. Good sign its working.

Wife and I had our second Pfizer shots this past Saturday. Sore arms but nothing else. Think its the right thing to do seeing that we are around a lot of folks who may be more susceptible to the virus.

Quote from: PalmettoRon on April 03, 2021, 07:13:02 AM
At this stage of the game, I doubt those that are inclined to take the vaccine will opt out and I doubt those that don't want the vaccine will opt in. What would be the consequences if no one took the vaccine vs if everyone did? Again, what percentage of retired, relatively young, healthy healthcare workers do you think have decided to forego the vaccine. If these folks are healthy and no longer treating patients then it would only seem logical for them to opt out also if COVID is no big deal with the healthy. I fall into that category and I was glad to take the vaccine to not only protect me, but others.

Do what you want re: the vaccine, but please don't think your internet search to validate your decision to opt out is a reasonable one. It would be like me reading a few online articles on bridge building and then arguing with a civil engineer on that topic.

This is such new science that a lot of people are changing their minds on a daily basis.  Being in the health field myself, I was extremely hesistant to take the vaccine, as were many of my medical colleagues (including my best friend who works the ER).

Speaking for myself, and other medical professionals who did opt in after inititial hesitation, it was not the concern of getting COVID, but the concern of passing it to a patient who does not survive it.  I felt that in my case that there was a professional obligation to my patients to be protected.

Speaking to other medical colleagues, including some pediatricians, I know of none of them that would have their children vaccinated were it allowed tomorrow.  There is simply not enough long-term information on the effects of these vaccines.

As to the benefit of everyone taking the vaccine...  Taking the vaccine for the younger crowd is not to prevent them from getting it, but to prevent it from spreading and creating "herd immunity."  If everyone (or almost everyone) did get the vaccine, it would likely come to a fairly abrupt stop (as far as the spread).

The questions are now...  Did we make a mountain out of a molehill?  Should the government be able to intervene and force citizens to get the vaccine for the good of the country?

As far as getting back to normal...  That ship has sailed.  We as society will get past the health concerns of COVID, but I doubt we will ever get past some of the insane political and social changes we have seen.

I took the J & J vaccine a couple weeks ago. It wired me up where I couldn't sleep that night and the bottom fell out the next day. No issues other than that. I had covid last August. The worst symptom was the loss of appetite for 4 days.

I just got my 2nd one today. I'll be leaving for my Nebraska hunt in 2 weeks and wanted to make sure I had it before flying. Here in my part of PA, it seems there are more shots available than people who want to get it.

 I dont know if its been said because I didnt read the 16 pages and yall i dont mean to sound like a smuck .. but ive heard so much covid this and that all year that im sick of it and im here to talk turky huntin . dont understand why its a subject on here.

Interesting case!  https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/colby-vondenstein-lung-kidney-transplant-covid-171805750.html

Quote from: strum on April 05, 2021, 07:13:00 PM
I dont know if its been said because I didnt read the 16 pages and yall i dont mean to sound like a smuck .. but ive heard so much covid this and that all year that im sick of it and im here to talk turky huntin . dont understand why its a subject on here.

Nice thing about a forum: you are free to pick and choose the subjects you read. The main reason this subject is valid is because it impacts so many people including Turkey hunters not to mention where we can and can not hunt.

Quote from: mtns2hunt on April 06, 2021, 11:28:33 AM

Quote from: strum on April 05, 2021, 07:13:00 PM
I dont know if its been said because I didnt read the 16 pages and yall i dont mean to sound like a smuck .. but ive heard so much covid this and that all year that im sick of it and im here to talk turky huntin . dont understand why its a subject on here.

Nice thing about a forum: you are free to pick and choose the subjects you read. The main reason this subject is valid is because it impacts so many people including Turkey hunters not to mention where we can and can not hunt.

Your right .. Im just a grumpy ol b*%$ these days.   Only vaccine for that is turkey huntin..

Imagine someone getting on this forum and telling every person on here how to kill turkeys and someone finally asks them if they've ever actually killed a turkey and they say, "Naw, but I read an article about it and watched me a couple Dale Outdoors on the YouTube." Sure, you could listen to that old boy rant and ramble advice, but I'm going to stick with the people who've dedicated their lives to learning it. With regard to COVID, I'll stick with the epidemiologists.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Good advice Chester Copperpot! The epidemiologists and other health care workers have skin in the game too. They've weighed the potential risks of the vaccine vs the known risks of COVID and the potential long term risks of COVID. Playing the odds, it would seem that the odds of sustaining long term harm from the vaccine is significantly less than the risks of COVID. However, it's a free country, one has the freedom to choose and I support that, but choose wisely my friends.

Nationwide pause on Johnson & Johnson vaccine due to blood clotting.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210413/c664241798f72b3429cecbe2233b8895.jpg)

Quote from: Goblen on April 13, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Nationwide pause on Johnson & Johnson vaccine due to blood clotting.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210413/c664241798f72b3429cecbe2233b8895.jpg)

Didn't see anything like that coming

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

And, why not?

A guy that I work with just got out of the hospital from getting blood clots in his lungs following second Moderna vaccination. His doctor there said that they've had multiple cases of blood clots following the vaccinations. Blood clots are a side effect of Covid so not sure why they wouldn't have expected it with the vaccines.

For those that have gotten the vaccinations, please don't let any changes go unchecked!!

There is literally NO vaccine without risks.  None.  No matter what anyone tells you, there is no 100% safe vaccine.  It is the nature of a vaccine.  Guillian Barre, Autoimmune Thrombocytopenia, anaphylaxis, etc.  That is why I would never, under any circumstance except global extinction, support mandatory vaccinations.   It is up to each person to decide. But acting like you were right and the medical profession was wrong because one of (or even all of) the vaccines have a subset of reactions, side effects and/or serious issues just shows your basic lack of understanding of the immune system and medicine. 

Six people experience blood clotting issues out of more than seven million doses and its, "See, I told you so." More than half a million die and its, "Meh, I'll take my chances."


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

My wife got the J&J vacccine, she went to her regular doctors appt today and her doctor said these blood clots are a type that shows up in a very small percent of people every year and are quite rare. With that said she told my wife that when you look at the occurrence rate for this syndrome before covid 19 and compare that to the 6 cases out of 7 million it's the same rate. She feels like this is just natural rate of occurrence in people who happened to be vaccinated and not related to the vaccine at all.   

I got the J&J Vaccine five weeks ago through the VA Administration.  No problem.  I did have mild side effects 10 days afterward (ie. low grade fever, body aches, headache, loss of appetite).  Called the VA Clinic and the nurse told me it's possible to get effects up to two weeks following the shot.  Lasted one full day and then gone.  I feel fine. My wife got the Moderna through her work.  She had side effects with both shots but is fine now.  It's a personal decision unique to each person but I recommend getting the shot.  I know several people who have died from Covid.

Well that'll put a damper on things.

I'll still get my second shot moderna.

Realize it's not J&J but still would get that one if it was offered.

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on April 13, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Six people experience blood clotting issues out of more than seven million doses and its, "See, I told you so." More than half a million die and its, "Meh, I'll take my chances."


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah, because if this virus wasn't plastered all over the news I wouldn't even know it existed.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

Just be wandering around wondering where all the dead bodies come from.

My niece got the vaccine in February and still got covid last week. Her husband and son had it last fall. She said the symptoms were as bad as her husband's.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Quote from: BigSlam51 on April 13, 2021, 08:25:53 PM

Quote from: ChesterCopperpot on April 13, 2021, 05:20:43 PM
Six people experience blood clotting issues out of more than seven million doses and its, "See, I told you so." More than half a million die and its, "Meh, I'll take my chances."


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yeah, because if this virus wasn't plastered all over the news I wouldn't even know it existed.

Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk

I am really glad for you (truly).  I wish I could say the same.  Have lost family and friends.