What are the differences between the 535 and 835? Is it simply the bore diameter, or is there more? Witch one patterns better? Finally, why the need for 2 3.5 pump guns?
The only reason I could think of for having two 3.5 guns is because one is overbored. But the 835 is also heavier and kicks hard with 3.5's. So I can't imagine shooting the 535 with 3.5's. I know the 500 sure had the punch to it with 3" shells, but maybe the 535 is different!
535 kicks like a borrowed plow mule as well with the 3.5. Only differences I know of are the ones you have mentioned. definately lighter as well
The 535 is basically a 500 chambered for 3.5" loads. I had one and got rid of it. The 835 handles the recoil of 3.5's better and also throws a much better pattern with the overbored barrel. It's a no brainer on which to choose IMO. Here's a few 835 patterns through a 24" pipe.
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I have a 535 with a 20" barrel and that sucker kicks like nobody's business. Basically, the 535 is a marriage between the 500 and 835 series. It has a 3.5" chamber from the 835 combined with a standard 12 gauge bore diameter from the 500 series.
I have never had the opportunity to shoot an 835 in comparison to my 535, but I would guess the felt recoil would be slightly less with the 835 due to it's added weight and overbored barrel.
I considered both guns but went with the 535 because of it's ability to double as a home-defense shotgun. Slugs should not be fired through overbored barrels because they can literally "rattle" down the bore. This hurts accuracy, and is hard on the barrel.
In hindsight, I could have gotten the 835 and stuck with buckshot for home defense, but I like having options when the zombie apocalypse is upon us.
I still enjoy looking at those patterns. :happy0064:
The 535 is nothing more than a 500 with a stretched reciever to handle 3.5" loads. Its barrel is also what would be considered "normal 12 gauge" bore diameter. Combine that with its light weight and stock design and you get that familiar Mike Tyson haymaker punch to the shoulder, similar to the Remington 870 Super Mag...except the 870 is much heavier. It is not an 835 with a 500's barrel on it. No parts are interchangable and the 535 uses the accu choke, not the accu-mag choke.
Had I been smarter, I woulda bought an 835.
Wish I had one now. They throw a heck of a better pattern.
Quote from: chatterbox on April 16, 2011, 03:50:56 AM
Had I been smarter, I woulda bought an 835.
Wish I had one now. They throw a heck of a better pattern.
Have you shot both guns side by side with exact same conditions? How do you know, or anybody know, that the 835 throws A HECK OF a better pattern? Yes, you guessed it, I am a 535 owner. I have never shot the 835 but did do some patterning last week with my 535. My best patterns were 288 and 298. Those numbers are in the better half of patterns id say after reading on here.
So your saying id get 350 and a much more even pattern by just switching guns?
Quote from: SpringFever on April 16, 2011, 10:33:03 AM
Quote from: chatterbox on April 16, 2011, 03:50:56 AM
Had I been smarter, I woulda bought an 835.
Wish I had one now. They throw a heck of a better pattern.
Have you shot both guns side by side with exact same conditions? How do you know, or anybody know, that the 835 throws A HECK OF a better pattern? Yes, you guessed it, I am a 535 owner. I have never shot the 835 but did do some patterning last week with my 535. My best patterns were 288 and 298. Those numbers are in the better half of patterns id say after reading on here.
So your saying id get 350 and a much more even pattern by just switching guns?
Go look at the patterns I recently shot with my 28" barrel 835 with the Star Dot and Pure Gold chokes. Then you will answer your own question. Those were back to back shots I might add and the first 2 shots of the day. No 535 I know of will shoot like that.
Here I'll bring them here so you can see. 1st shot of the day.
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00593.jpg)
2nd shot of the day
(http://www.hunt101.com/data/526/DSCF00565.jpg)
ok ya those are amazing :lol: But dangit I bet my 535 could do that if I had the time and money, emphasis on the money. Until then, my 290+ will do just grand :you_rock:
Quote from: SpringFever on April 16, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
ok ya those are amazing :lol: But dangit I bet my 535 could do that if I had the time and money, emphasis on the money. Until then, my 290+ will do just grand :you_rock:
Do you hunt or does the number of pellets in a 10" circle mean the dif between going home empty handed or a trophy and prize money?? Pretty sure high 280's, 290's is gonna do the job on any turkey!! ;)
Quote from: mightyjoeyoung on April 16, 2011, 11:13:19 AM
Quote from: SpringFever on April 16, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
ok ya those are amazing :lol: But dangit I bet my 535 could do that if I had the time and money, emphasis on the money. Until then, my 290+ will do just grand :you_rock:
Do you hunt or does the number of pellets in a 10" circle mean the dif between going home empty handed or a trophy and prize money?? Pretty sure high 280's, 290's is gonna do the job on any turkey!! ;)
Oh my gosh yes I hunt! But like many on here, I have gotten somewhat infactuated with this 10" circle. Probably for the worse because I always want to improve it. However, for the better because I have learned so much and most importantly-have a much better pattern now and confidence to go along with it!
I considered both guns but went with the 535 because of it's ability to double as a home-defense shotgun. Slugs should not be fired through overbored barrels because they can literally "rattle" down the bore. This hurts accuracy, and is hard on the barrel.
I don't know anything much about slug guns or how accurate a slug should be but my 835 will plug them in the same hole at 40 yds. been aiming to shoot 100 yds but haven't got around to it
Quote from: SpringFever on April 16, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
ok ya those are amazing :lol: But dangit I bet my 535 could do that if I had the time and money, emphasis on the money. Until then, my 290+ will do just grand :you_rock:
You can spend all the money you want but a 535 ain't shooting 360 unless you get a good lot of Nitros loaded with undersize shot.
Quote from: SpringFever on April 16, 2011, 10:33:03 AM
Quote from: chatterbox on April 16, 2011, 03:50:56 AM
Had I been smarter, I woulda bought an 835.
Wish I had one now. They throw a heck of a better pattern.
Have you shot both guns side by side with exact same conditions? How do you know, or anybody know, that the 835 throws A HECK OF a better pattern? Yes, you guessed it, I am a 535 owner. I have never shot the 835 but did do some patterning last week with my 535. My best patterns were 288 and 298. Those numbers are in the better half of patterns id say after reading on here.
So your saying id get 350 and a much more even pattern by just switching guns?
I own a 535 as well, and on my best day, I got 189 in a 10" circle at 40 with 3-2-6 hevi.. The 835 with an overbored barrel will beat the 535 on any day. Simply put, the 535 cannot hang with them. I didn't say I wouldn't kill a turkey, but in the numbers game it won't beat an 835.
Quote from: goblr77 on April 16, 2011, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: SpringFever on April 16, 2011, 11:06:22 AM
ok ya those are amazing :lol: But dangit I bet my 535 could do that if I had the time and money, emphasis on the money. Until then, my 290+ will do just grand :you_rock:
You can spend all the money you want but a 535 ain't shooting 360 unless you get a good lot of Nitros loaded with undersize shot.
Theres a pic on here somewhere ive seen it. Its not 360 but its upper 350's i believe! So yes! it can be done!!
(http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x406/springfever3/th_pattern.jpg) (http://s1180.photobucket.com/albums/x406/springfever3/?action=view¤t=pattern.jpg)
Found it. Well its not upper 350's but 352. I dont really care to be honest if the 535 can "hang" with the 835. But it can put up great numbers. This is out of 3.5"painfuldeath's 535.
I would like to tape measure that 40yds and see it for myself. But that is just me. 20" barrel makes it even harder for me to believe.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on April 16, 2011, 04:36:21 PM
I would like to tape measure that 40yds and see it for myself. But that is just me. 20" barrel makes it even harder for me to believe.
Why are you so skeptical of a 535? I get you the best evidence a guy can find and you question the distance? Sounds like a cop out to me. I guess I would like to see your taped 40 yards. I cant believe im getting worked up over this. If we cant trust eachother on here when we say its 40 yards what do we have then? I think there are many great turkey guns, 835 included. I might own one some day. But to say a certain gun CANT do something is beyond me.
There's a big difference between seeing it posted as 40yds stepped off vs 40yds tape measured. I measure all my targets at a tape measured 40yds. I will also be more than glad to show my patterns live if someone want to go witness them. My gun should only shoot better as the temp warms up even more. Those targets I posted were witnessed the other day by a Mr Moore. He was impressed to say the least. He was shooting a SX3 which is a fine shotgun no doubt. I'm not downgrading a 535, but like I said they won't come close to shooting with a 835. All 835's I know of that I have seen shoot would shoot just about like mine if the barrel was 28". Mine isn't special although I did polish the barrel my own secret way. But I know how other shotguns will shoot for the most part cause I have shot quite a few or seen them shoot over the years. If I was betting money with the Hevi-13 #7 loads, I would put my money on the 835 over the 535 any single day of the year. It's that simple.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on April 16, 2011, 04:36:21 PM
I would like to tape measure that 40yds and see it for myself. But that is just me. 20" barrel makes it even harder for me to believe.
Agreed.
Alright I give in. You both are right. There is no way a 535 can shoot patterns like a 835. Just cant happen. If there are any pictures showing such accomplishment, surely they are lying.
Quote from: SpringFever on April 18, 2011, 08:31:21 PM
Alright I give in. You both are right. There is no way a 535 can shoot patterns like a 835. Just cant happen. If there are any pictures showing such accomplishment, surely they are lying.
Dude, just buy you a 835 and put a .676 Star Dot on it if you are lucky enough to find one or just buy a Pure Gold .670. Then shoot it against any 535 with Hevi-13 any loads you want to pick it won't matter. The 535 will end up crying. The 535 ain't a bad shotgun at all. But anyone who knows shotguns will tell you the exact same thing we have.
I might just buy a 835 next year. We'll see. Sorry, just rubbed me the wrong way. No hard feelings.
Hevi- You said your 835 has a 28" barrel. Do you think you could still get yout 350+ with a 24" barrel? I like the idea of a shorter barrel but want to reach out as far as I can.
Quote from: SpringFever on April 18, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
Hevi- You said your 835 has a 28" barrel. Do you think you could still get yout 350+ with a 24" barrel? I like the idea of a shorter barrel but want to reach out as far as I can.
The difference in the shorter barrel will probably be only 10-15 shot. That's just a guess. The longer barrels typically shoot a little better. But the point is moot when you can throw patterns that's consistently 300 or more shot with good shooting Hevi-13 #7 loads.
And what I told you above about the Star Dot or Pure Gold was for shooting Hevi-13 3.5 2 and 1/4oz #7 loads.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on April 18, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
And what I told you above about the Star Dot or Pure Gold was for shooting Hevi-13 3.5 2 and 1/4oz #7 loads.
Are Star Dots hard to find? I would imagine you could still find brand new ones? Or, arent they made anymore...
Quote from: SpringFever on April 18, 2011, 09:01:44 PM
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on April 18, 2011, 08:55:45 PM
And what I told you above about the Star Dot or Pure Gold was for shooting Hevi-13 3.5 2 and 1/4oz #7 loads.
Are Star Dots hard to find? I would imagine you could still find brand new ones? Or, arent they made anymore...
About as hard as finding a gold nugget. :z-guntootsmiley:
I had 2 at one time. I gave one to a buddy who isn't using it. I told him if he don't plan on using it to give it back. He said well I plan on using it one day. I would have rather sold it to someone who was going to use it then to just let that choke collect dust.