pictures would be nice if ya had any?!
Holey and I don't mean Holy! :toothy12:
I should mention that choke geometry plays a great part in how a choke will shoot as well. I never have shot a .643 Tru-Glo SSX in my Rem barrel and they say that they work well. But from what I have found shooting chokes like Hastings .640 is that they work pretty good with lead turkey loads but when you shoot htl loads through them they are too tight of choke to provide even and consistent patterns. You want a nice even 10" and 20" pattern when shooting turkey loads with as few of holes as possible. That's why most chokes from .655 to .675 in most standard 12GA barrel shotguns will work the best typically with a nice distrubution of shot. When you see a holey pattern, you will see a lot of gaps in your pattern between the shot. I wished I had one to show you, but this should help.
does this look like a too tight choke/load combo!
no 5 rem nitro no 5's carlsons 660 choke mossy 500
http://img857.imageshack.us/i/002snd.jpg/
Well I need to know the distance, and to answer your question you would really have to have a .655 or .665 choke on hand so you can see firsthand for yourself. But tell me the distance. I'm guessing that is 40yds. If so, you may need to go tighter.
And it's hard to get the patterns out of 5 shot that you could get out of 6's.
yep at forty yards....
heres an undertaker choke tube at 665 dia with the same load at 40 yards
http://img41.imageshack.us/i/001gfh.jpg/
heres at 40 yds with the carlson 660 choke and win HV no 6's
http://img38.imageshack.us/i/001ati.jpg/
the undertaker was such a bad pattern it looked like a factory full choke pattern! didnt take picture
I will tell you that the Winchester shotshells will typically out pattern the Remington loads. Those 5's may like a .665 choke. But like I said you will have to play to be sure. That is the best way you will know for sure. That patten is definately holey.
Let me put them up here visually side by side if I can so I can give you my thoughts.
(http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/5743/002snd.jpg)
(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/410/001gfh.jpg)
Ok out of them two patterns the 2nd one is a lot better which is what I was thinking when you said #5's which will typically like a little more open of choke.
Don't worry about the shot in the circle that you probably drew beforehand. Look at the shot in the 2nd one below the circle. Much better overall pattern and that is about center of your pattern too.
Now this is your 6 shot load.
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3534/001ati.jpg)
Let's compare. What size load were the Rem Nitros? I'm guessing they were 2oz loads am I correct?
so second picture...below the circle i drew is the best pattern???
im getting a jellyhead 660 in the mail in a day or so, what size shot patterns best in this dia choke? unfortunately i cant use hevi for now.
Quote from: ILIKEHEVI-13 on April 01, 2011, 12:46:53 PM
Now this is your 6 shot load.
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3534/001ati.jpg)
Let's compare. What size load were the Rem Nitros? I'm guessing they were 2oz loads am I correct?
no the wins were 1 3/4 3"
Yes I know the Win High Velocity were 1.75oz loads. Wht were teh Rem Nitros? They were 2oz correct?
Double post sorry.
1 7/8 oz
Quote from: Lon0121 on April 01, 2011, 12:50:43 PM
1 7/8 oz
Well those were the better shooting Nitro loads from Rem. They actually shot a lot better than teh 2oz Rem Nitro loads. Have you tried that same load in the 6's. I used to shoot them out of my 870 and it was one ofthe better shooting lead # 6 loads.
no i didnt try the 6's of the same load but was thinking about it!
the winchester loads i have shot were all sor horrible though! i shot the grey box of wins no 5 shot 1 7/8 oz and it was absolutely horrid pattern! then the win HV no 6 patterned bad too!
i was thinking of either win HV no 5' or the remmy nitro 6's!
maybe my gun doesnt like winnys??
like i said i have a 660 jellyhead coming in the mail! what load would work best in it? do my patterns seem tight?
That Win load don't look bad for a 1.75oz load. Actually I studied those patterns and the 5's look good. But the 6's appear to have more hits, but it might not be as evenly distributed as those 5's.
You might want to try the Win Supreme 3" 2oz #6 loads.
http://www.cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=740968&destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct.jsp%3FproductId%3D740961%26type%3Dproduct&WTz_l=YMAL%3BBC%3BIK-213712
I would say that Jelly Head choke should shoot better than that Carlsons choke. I may be wrong, but you have got the idea of playing around with loads and chokes.
heres an 11 by 11 turkey target at 35 yds with rem nitro no 5 and the undertaker 665 choke
http://img171.imageshack.us/i/003zk.jpg/
http://img23.imageshack.us/i/004xk.jpg/
Make sure you shoot big pieces of paper or cardboard when patterning your gun. Also make you a poa circle like you did on the ones earlier you posted. Then draw your 10" circle around the densest portion of shot.
Do this. Try those #6 loads through that Jelly Head choke and post your results here.
ok it may be a couple days!
QuoteAnd it's hard to get the patterns out of 5 shot that you could get out of 6's.
With Lead, I've seen #5's outshoot #6's before. Or sometimes the numbers were close, but the 5's would have a more even pattern than the 6's. Unless there is a 20 pellet advantage in the pattern on paper, give me 5's over 6's.
If most of your shots are around 30 Yards or less, try High Brass #7.5 Lead. You may get much better patterns with #7.5, and it likes to be choked tight.