I got the chance to go to the range today and burn some powder. This was my best pattern @ 40 yards with Hevi #7s through a Sumtoy .650 choke in a SBE II. Other patterns were as good, but not centered until I got the Speed Bead dialed in.
This had 338 pellets in the 10" circle, 209 between the 10" and 20" circle, for a total of 547 inside of 20". I'll take it.
Hurry up and get here turkey season.
Jim
Good lord, they don't stand a chance... Nice!
Wow! I just received the same choke for my SBE and need to try the hevi 13's #7...... I hope mine looks HALF that good!
Fantastic pattern!
Turkey sandwiches for sure. :OGturkeyhead:
Looks great!!! Those are really , really good numbers!!!
Phenomenal pattern :jackson:
Time to go :fud: :OGani:
Them are big numbers. :drool: I know the 7s this year have been doing good.
:icon_thumright: awesome patterns. Can you post the lot# on that box for me Thank you.
Lot number is 101424. Glad I got several more boxes.
Jim
That's top notch! That's about as good as it gets!!!
Jim, thank you for the lot number. If I were you I'd buy as many boxes as you can afford . I havebt seen those numbers in a few years.
Lord have mercy! That must be a world record or close to it. Good luck to you. Unfortunately for Tom, he doesn't have a chance with that pattern.
That is a 3" shell? Wow!
Nice!
unheard of for 3"
Very nice pattern. :drool:
The pellet count in that load should be around 556. You have 547 total inside the 20". Looks like more outside the 20". How many hit outside the 20"?
Those are more like the numbers I would have liked to get out of my M3500 + Sumtoy .650...Maybe I need to drop from #6 3.5in to #7 3in. Just not to confident in the knock down power of the #7 at 40+
GADZOOKS that's gonna put a hurtin' on ole Mr Tom!!! :drool:
Quote from: aaron.haverfield@gmail.co on March 25, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
Those are more like the numbers I would have liked to get out of my M3500 + Sumtoy .650...Maybe I need to drop from #6 3.5in to #7 3in. Just not to confident in the knock down power of the #7 at 40+
no need to worry about that. The last 2 birds i shot with Hevi-13 3-2-7's flipped over backwards like they were hit with a sledgehammer.
Great shell!
Quote from: 01Foreman400 on March 25, 2015, 09:19:42 AM
Very nice pattern. :drool:
The pellet count in that load should be around 556. You have 547 total inside the 20". Looks like more outside the 20". How many hit outside the 20"?
I held the target up to light and counted again. It looks like 6 I counted as hits were actually dark freckles in the paper and not pellet holes. There are 18 pellet holes outside the 20 inch ring. I have a couple more targets that the pattern was as good or better, but because the red dot wasn't zeroed, the point of aim was different from the point of impact and they didn't come close to center. I'll dig some of them out of the recycle bin and post some pictures of them later.
The board we shoot is a 40 yard shot measured with a laser. I'm really surprised and stoked how great this combination shoots. The pattern must be about baseball sized at 15 yards and I'm sure it will hold up out to 50 yards quite nicely. In all the years I've been hunting turkeys I've never shot one over 40 yards, never considered it. It is nice to know the gun, choke, & ammo are so capable.
Jim
Quote from: aaron.haverfield@gmail.co on March 25, 2015, 10:55:40 AM
Just not to confident in the knock down power of the #7 at 40+
This....
The 13 g/cc load had/has 508+- pellets...just hand counted 506...
The 12 g/cc has 50 more pellets, that are now lighter than before...
I love the way the 7's pattern, but I've had enough soft hits to prefer 6's...
But I'm also quite sure that out to 35-40 yards, it's no big deal...
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Here's a few more pictures from Monday's target practice. All were shot with 3 inch Hevi #7s through my SBE II and a Sumtoy .650 at a laser measured distance of 40 yards. I didn't add the 20 inch ring to these. I marked the tightest pattern. For reference the paper is 28 inches square. Those turkeys had best watch their step.
Jim
How long of a barrel do you have on your sbe2? I've been happy with my .655 RR choke but there is always room for improvement :funnyturkey:
Quote from: Full strut on March 27, 2015, 02:13:00 PM
How long of a barrel do you have on your sbe2? I've been happy with my .655 RR choke but there is always room for improvement :funnyturkey:
MY SBE II barrel is 26" long. I hunted with a TruGlo SSX in that gun for the past four years, but decided to change when it started to show a slight bulge. That SumToy has proven to be better than I hoped it would. Good luck whatever you go with.
Jim
Awesome pattern man! Have you tried the hevi shot #6's with that gun and choke?
I got very similar results from a Rob Roberts .650/ h-13 #7 @ 40 yds. = 336 in a 10" circle...my ONLY COMPLAINT. I was seeing that the pellets were only penetrating about half way into the particle board @ 40 yds...you think its anything to be concerned with @ 50 -60 yds????
There is no replacement for displacement and to add there is no such thing as to much overkill.
Quote from: Nate K on March 30, 2015, 02:50:59 PM
Awesome pattern man! Have you tried the hevi shot #6's with that gun and choke?
Yes. The #6s do pretty well out of that combo too. I obviously didn't get the coverage with #6s that I did with #7s, but it would definitely hunt.
My old choke was a TruGlo SSX .643 and it shot Hevi 6s great! Either Hevi 6s or 7s are what makes that gun happiest. All I need now is to get time off work to hunt and for a gobbler to come in range.
Jim
Dang that's awesome .
Wow that is one well balanced pattern right there. Those guys at Sumtoy really know how to get it done.
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Not sure how to interpret some comments on here but.....you have one of the BEST,MOST UNIFORM patterns by ANY standards....be it bone stock,custom handloads,or ANY other combos....PERIOD. CONGRATS!!!!!
Thanks for the kind words. That Benelli patterns very well with a few different makes of choke, but the Speed Bead is what really helps me hold the center of the pattern in place. It really likes 3 inch #6 & #7 Hevi shot too. Just a lucky combination, I guess? I have absolutely crushed every turkey I shot at with this gun since I added the Burris sight and switched to Hevi shot.
Jim
When you originally put that sumtoy 650 in did you notice the POI high?? I have the Vinci, and it always shot PO with other chokes down to 665 but when I went to his 650 my POI was prob 6-8" high
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on March 03, 2017, 04:46:02 PM
When you originally put that sumtoy 650 in did you notice the POI high?? I have the Vinci, and it always shot PO with other chokes down to 665 but when I went to his 650 my POI was prob 6-8" high
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Sorry, I didn't see this post until today. The POI with the .650 Sumtoy is high and pretty far right of POA. Without the Fast Fire red dot, I probably wouldn't cut a feather with it @ 40 yards. It is too far off to use without some kind of sight. Once dialed in, it is deadly though.
Jim
Quote from: Cut N Run on March 23, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
I got the chance to go to the range today and burn some powder. This was my best pattern @ 40 yards with Hevi #7s through a Sumtoy .650 choke in a SBE II. Other patterns were as good, but not centered until I got the Speed Bead dialed in.
This had 338 pellets in the 10" circle, 209 between the 10" and 20" circle, for a total of 547 inside of 20". I'll take it.
Hurry up and get here turkey season.
Jim
Cut,
Have you played with magblends out of your gun much?
What kind of numbers were you getting, if so?
Thanks, !
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Quote from: sasquatch1 on March 03, 2017, 04:46:02 PM
When you originally put that sumtoy 650 in did you notice the POI high?? I have the Vinci, and it always shot PO with other chokes down to 665 but when I went to his 650 my POI was prob 6-8" high
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My son has a SBE 2 and a .650 Suntoy. Shooting dove shells and TSS9 it shoots about 4 inches higher than it should.
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Quote from: Cut N Run on March 23, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
I got the chance to go to the range today and burn some powder. This was my best pattern @ 40 yards with Hevi #7s through a Sumtoy .650 choke in a SBE II. Other patterns were as good, but not centered until I got the Speed Bead dialed in.
This had 338 pellets in the 10" circle, 209 between the 10" and 20" circle, for a total of 547 inside of 20". I'll take it.
Hurry up and get here turkey season.
Jim
Cut,
Have you played with magblends out of your gun much?
What kind of numbers were you getting, if so?
Thanks, !
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I have tried multiple MagBlend/ choke combinations and for whatever reason, the don't shoot worth a flip out of that gun. Remington ammo does the same thing. Patterns blow up and have big holes in them. I can feed a straight 6s or 7s Hevi right behind the MagBlends and they pattern like a champ. Go figure!?!
Jim
Quote from: Cut N Run on January 27, 2020, 06:48:59 PM
Quote from: ManfromGreenSwamp on April 16, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Quote from: Cut N Run on March 23, 2015, 07:31:26 PM
I got the chance to go to the range today and burn some powder. This was my best pattern @ 40 yards with Hevi #7s through a Sumtoy .650 choke in a SBE II. Other patterns were as good, but not centered until I got the Speed Bead dialed in.
This had 338 pellets in the 10" circle, 209 between the 10" and 20" circle, for a total of 547 inside of 20". I'll take it.
Hurry up and get here turkey season.
Jim
Cut,
Have you played with magblends out of your gun much?
What kind of numbers were you getting, if so?
Thanks, !
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I have tried multiple MagBlend/ choke combinations and for whatever reason, the don't shoot worth a flip out of that gun. Remington ammo does the same thing. Patterns blow up and have big holes in them. I can feed a straight 6s or 7s Hevi right behind the MagBlends and they pattern like a champ. Go figure!?!
Jim
Thanks for the reply, Jim.
I bought(last season) a IC black diamond and several more boxes mag blend 3.5", put it all on top of the safe due to season being over..haven't touched it. Gonna get out in the yard this weekend and blast some at 40 and compare it to the hevi choke I shot with the 7s. I LOVE the 7s but wanna see what they can do with the bigger pellets. I've had the same results with the 2 different hevi chokes and the Carlson XR choke I patterned with MB originally, lots of holes in my patterns, looking back on them.
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Maybe I should order some straight 5s and 6s
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I have a Jebs .650 but l will give those shells a try!
I gave a Jebs .650 to a young man I'm mentoring for his SBE II and it performs very well with the Hevi 6s & 7s too. It turned his turkey gun int an absolute slayer. Jebs makes a fine choke that really likes the Hevi shot.
Jim
That is a awesome pattern. If I was you I would buy as much of them shells as I could afford. You will be good for years.
Quote from: gesthuntn on May 24, 2020, 07:40:42 PM
That is a awesome pattern. If I was you I would buy as much of them shells as I could afford. You will be good for years.
I did. I've got WAY more Hevi 6's & 7's than I could use in two lifetimes of turkey hunting. I always carry some extra rounds in case Russian paratroopers ever start dropping out of the sky when I'm turkey hunting...you just never know. It is better to have than to want.
Jim