Referring to All Turkeys as “birds”

[Ol timer]

Shirley you can't be serious.

[Robasse]

Shirley you can't be serious.

If you're talking to me, yes I'm serious.


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[TrackeySauresRex]

With all due respect, I usually call them *@$#&%G Birds!    Because they're always giving me fit!     I love and respect any game I pursue. They are what he are. JMHO
Happy Hunting
Johnny

[Timmer]

I use Tom or Jake when I need to relay their age or male gender, and hen when I need to identify a female.  However, they are birds, so if I'm just being general that is certainly a term I use. 

[Robasse]

I use Tom or Jake when I need to relay their age or male gender, and hen when I need to identify a female.  However, they are birds, so if I'm just being general that is certainly a term I use.

That's the point I was making and my grandads point too. Many turkey hunters out there don't do that, as per my examples. I completely understand all turkeys are birds. That wasn't the point.

When a turkey hunter says I killed a bird this morning. It was the biggest bird on my place.

My grandpa would say that's mostly ignorance for a novice hunter and disrespect to turkeys from a seasoned hunter.

Why's it so hard to just identify whether it was a tom, a jake, bearded hen, crow or cowbird?


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[Sir-diealot]

Shirley you can't be serious.

Don't call me Shirley

[Loyalist84]

I use Tom or Jake when I need to relay their age or male gender, and hen when I need to identify a female.  However, they are birds, so if I'm just being general that is certainly a term I use.

That's the point I was making and my grandads point too. Many turkey hunters out there don't do that, as per my examples. I completely understand all turkeys are birds. That wasn't the point.

When a turkey hunter says I killed a bird this morning. It was the biggest bird on my place.

My grandpa would say that's mostly ignorance for a novice hunter and disrespect to turkeys from a seasoned hunter.

Why's it so hard to just identify whether it was a tom, a jake, bearded hen, crow or cowbird?


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I would suggest that, as in many things, implicit meaning goes assumed outside of formal conversation. If I tell a friend that I went turkey hunting this morning and got a bird, one assumes that I got a bearded male turkey, since that's what's legal and common in my area. Details usually arrive through the course of the conversation re: jake v tom, beard length etc. A bearded hen is unusual enough to warrant mentioning it at the start of a discussion, and I have noticed that many hunters here look upon shooting jakes as something left for children and the infirm - therefore the implicit beginning of the conversation is that a Tom has been shot unless noted otherwise. I don't think it's being done because its too hard as you suggest, or out of bad manners, but a cultural difference and a casual tone of conversation regarding a hobby.

Many folks wouldn't differentiate between a buck or doe initially - "I got a deer" usually suffices and I certainly do not think that it insituates a disrespect towards the animal in that case, and a turkey, in my opinion, is no more deserving of respect than any other game animal - not to say that respect is not paid to a high degree in the first place.

I certainly would never stoop to calling it ignorance or disrespect, any more than a dedicated wingshooter may condemn ground-sluicing grouse when it's been the traditional method of take for a long period of time. At that point it's a No True Scotsman fallacy.

What we have here is the intersection of numerous turkey hunting subcultures that are in various stages of development. No doubt if you had a century of hunting turkeys in Canada, and the northern United States, you would see decorum similar to that of the southern States where they were in continued existence and had the chance to establish traditions and methods of take and sportsmanship for the same amount of time.

[Gooserbat]

I'm in the anti chicken crowd. 

[Spitten and drummen]

Well... they have feathers and fly so they are birds.

[Turkeytider]

because dinosaur was already taken?

Jim

LOL!! They do flat look primitive! No, IMO " bird " is not a derogatory term. Intent is what makes a word derogatory.

[Robasse]

I come from a long line of old school Turkey Hunters. There are birds and then there are Turkeys. They are always referred to as "Turkeys" where I am from. Calling them birds is pretty much for the new age fags

Ok, so I was trying to be diplomatic, but what you said what how I feel along with the generations that taught me!  Thanks for making it clear and concise Warrent!


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[Loyalist84]

Warrent, while I do appreciate your honesty I'm not sure how using a degrading term for someone's sexuality isn't meant to insult those of us who happen to hold different views on terminology?

[Terry]

This forum is going down hill quickly. The constant name calling and attacks are out of control.

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[DP42912]

I come from a long line of old school Turkey Hunters. There are birds and then there are Turkeys. They are always referred to as "Turkeys" where I am from. Calling them birds is pretty much for the new age fags

Lol

[fallhnt]

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