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About to make my first box call

Started by shaman, December 18, 2015, 12:10:34 PM

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shaman

I am in the process of setting up my workshop for the purpose of making box calls, and I have a bunch of questions for y'all. So far, I have a belt/disk sander, drill press, band saw and bench saw. It is my intention to experiment with solid 1-piece boxes as well as multi-piece glue-ups.  I'm just on the front end of the learning curve.

One thing I've been messing with is a solid block of red cedar I pulled out of the woods this fall.  I know for a fact that I felled the tree in 2008, and it had been just laying there beneath one of my treestands all that time.  Just for grins, I brought it back to the house and started working on it.  I reduced it to a 4.5"X4.5"X2'block last weekend, and I am frankly amazed at the quality of the wood. My plan for this is to reduce it to 2"X2" blanks this weekend and use this as my initial practice wood, saving any really good bits for later.
My thought here is that I own 150-some acres of mixed hickory oak savanah with lot of red cedar around the edges.  It's a lifetime of wood if I can find a way to turn it into workable sizes.  I also have 150-year old barns that can yield a lot of raspy barnwood.

For practice, I also bought a bunch of fixings from CustomSawing.com-- 2X2 poplar blanks, some walnut, and cherry lid,etc.  They also  have a kit that produces 4 box calls. I got that as well.

So here are a bunch of questions from a 30-some year hunter and a newbie call maker.  I'm not begging for the secrets of the Universe, just some gentle prods in the right direction. My biggest motivation here is to figure out what is the simplest no-frills design that will get a beginner to a working call.

1) When building a box call, I understand the importance of wall thickness in producing the 2-tone Eeeyawk of the yelp. However, I do not understand how to moderate clear vs. raspy. The few descriptions I've read sound like this is more luck than anything else. Besides the materials selected for the box and lid, are there good ways to achieve a given tonal quality? 
2) Ends and bases: On solid calls is there a functional reason for a bottom base or an end block that goes beyond the esthetics of the call?  Is there a  functional reason for the bottom base to be of some dissimilar wood, or not just notched from the box itself?

3) Every box call seems to have a radius at the top so that the paddle only contacts minimally on the top surface, but could not find any discussions of what radius to use, or what radius moderates.  What radius should I use to start? Is there any magic in having a symetrical radius versus asymmetrical?

4) Flat versus tapered sides:  Is this difference esthetic or is there a functional reason?

5) Bottom handles: Is there a reason to put a handle on the bottom call?

6) Are there any special considerations in making a long box type call?

7) The top lid/paddle/whatever is always radiused, and the lid is usually around the same size as the opening of the box.  Is there any special rules regarding the lid's radius, thickness, or other dimensions  or is this a matter of taste?

8) Glue:  what is the best glue to use?

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shaman

I just finished reducing the log into 2X2X24 blanks with a few slabs that I may be able to resaw into lids and bases.  I'm really tickled that an old log in the woods would yield wood like this.





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shaman

Wow! 97 reads and no response.

Oh well. 

I'm glad I didn't wait.  I got down to work in the shop yesterday.  I would have let the glue set until next weekend, but Green Bay was getting pummeled and as a Bengals fan I could not bear to watch Carson Palmer delivering the beating.  Besides, any day the Steelers and the Browns lose is a good day, right?  Perhaps it was a portent.

I'm not saying it's a work of art, but I pulled it off.  Allow me to introduce you to the Shamanic Mark I



Poplar over cherry with walnut ends and a cherry bottom.  The goal was just to make something that vaguely sounds turkey-like.  What I got was a deep raspy call with a lots of volume. Frankly, I'm leaving puddles, I'm so happy with it-- not because of the tone, but that I got any tone at all.  This was my first project of this level since 8th Grade Shop and I came up out of the basement with all my fingers.

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bowmike

pm sent

I am in the same learning stage as you are

SS Calls


Iowa

How is call making going? Have you stuck with it?

mossyhorn2

Looks like a good start. Let the addiction begin!

shaman

Thanks for the encouragement.  This weekend was spent experimenting with the cedar.  It was a disaster, but I walked away with more of an education. 

:TrainWreck1:

I tried to resaw one of the 2X2 cedar blanks into base and sides.  I'd already tried resawing with the band saw, and the kerf was so wretched that I ended up sanding too much off trying to make the 1/8 " stock smooth.  I then tried the bench saw.  It was smooth, but getting the right thinkness was a problem.  Finally, I got enough of the right thicknesses and  managed to snap enough of the stock that I declared it a total failure.  That's okay.  I'm just getting the hang of this.  Mind you, I've not done anything this involved in 45 years. 

I am left to conclude that the lighter part of the cedar is not good stuff for box calls. It is just not solid enough-- more like white pine.  The darker redder stuff is good, but the chunk I brought out of the woods has a lot knots in the wrong places.  I'm not sure I want to waste the best of the blanks while I'm still so inexperienced.  I may save it for later and concentrate on the stuff I got from customsawing.com, at least for my first solid box.  Although a sizeable percentage of that log is already chips and sawdust, I've learned a lot along the way.

I finally tried some fine-tuning of the Shamanic MK I .  I think I made some improvements.  It now has a bit more pronounced rollover.

Lastly, I managed to get a good 1/4" X2" X 30" out of a piece red oak. Once I figure out how to saw the grooves right, I think I will use this for a base.



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trad bow

A planner will help you out with getting the sides where you need them. Any thinner and you will need to set up a sander to grind them to where you need them. Just saying as a sander is what we use to make laminations for recurves and longbows (.001-.125 thickness). You are ahead of me in making your calls but I hope to start soon on my own calls.
Jeff