Hevi 7's question..............

[Gobble!]

If I get over 250 with the new shells I will be happy. If not I may try Win XTR #6s

[SKFOOTER]

I had always hunted turkeys with the 3" winchester supreme elite #6's and killed alot of birds and was getting 160-170's in the 10" circle at 40 yards all day long on the pattern boards.
Now I swiched to hevi-13 3-1/2" #7's and I'm getting better dense patterns in the 360-380 range in a 10" circle on the pattern boards. No I never used hevi13 until this year and I like it alot but I'm shure the turkeys won't like it that well . 

360-380 range in a 10" circle?  At 40 yards???  With Hevi-13 3 1/2" #7's???   Are you sure you didn't mean 260-290 range???

[3.5inchpainfulldeath]

Assuming a gobbler is in range (45 yds or less) I'll bet more turkeys are missed because the pattern was too tight and the aim was off than by a poor pattern. I don't know if the quality of the HEVI-13 shells has dropped off but I do know I wouldn't want to be a gobbler in front of my Beretta stuffed with 7's inside 50 yds.   

Now that right there is probably one of the most reasonable and logical comments I have heard in the past couple weeks when it comes to the discussion of Hevi-13 #7's.

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[1iagobblergetter]

Albeit the numbers are still more than adequate and provide a pattern as good if not better than anything available.. Constant tinkering for the worse should not be rewarded.

This sounds pretty logical and reasonable to me!!!!!

[ILIKEHEVI-13]

Albeit the numbers are still more than adequate and provide a pattern as good if not better than anything available.. Constant tinkering for the worse should not be rewarded.

This sounds pretty logical and reasonable to me!!!!!

Me too!  

I do think the new 7's still pattern good.  I got some great numbers from this year loads.  I did encounter a bad shell in the 7's in the 3.5" loads.  But the dang 6 loads is the ones I have trouble with trying to get consistent numbers out of.  I shot some old and some that maybe were new and still no luck with the chokes I tried.   They weren't bad, but the old Remington Hevi-Shot loads I believe would out shoot them consistently.  I think that EM needs to just bring back the old white loads that shot so dang well.  I never shot them, but I have seen the patterns from those that have.  Those 1.75oz 3" #6's in the old white loads were aswesome.  Now why did they have to ruin a great load?  Makes no sense at all if you think about it.  They would out shoot the 6 loads they have now.  And with way less shot to boot.